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3:00 PM
@Pekka what do you mean by work
 
But it very well may. I'll have to go to the mall and play around with one in the store.
 
@Pekka and so now you must list the explicit needs of the consumer in mind and we can vet/disprove of them for you
 
I mean what does it imply
 
@Trufa Creating simple documents but with images
 
Yes, it can do that.
and it can email them.
 
3:00 PM
Do basic editing of images (Crop, tilt, colour...)
 
Yes, that can be done.
 
@drachenstern It is very good doing that
 
Printing will need a stationary machine I assume?
 
@Benjol I was being silly in the back of a taxi while stuck in traffic
 
Hmm, I have NO idea on that.
Why do they need to print?
 
3:01 PM
@Pekka I'm not sure
 
Like, I'm asking for a business reason for a need to print
 
@drachenstern letters, the occasional simple home-made flyer
 
are they making a business document? Are they printing pictures of the kids?
 
@Pekka Look for information about AirPrint
 
I've not personally heard of the iPad doing a lot of printing.
 
3:02 PM
It will need a compatible printer, of course
 
Simple business documents, and pictures of the kids. Nothing that would need a massive Desktop Publishing app, just within the scope of standard Office apps
@LoïcWolff thanks, I will!
 
@LoïcWolff NICE. Thanks!!!
So then yes, it can do that.
 
@LoïcWolff very nice!
 
Man, all those answers are 10 rep less on Apple.SE :(
:p
 
:)
I assume it can perform all the functions of an iPod, right?
 
3:03 PM
@Pekka yep
and more
 
Nice.
There is no USB so no way of attaching external storage, correct?
 
@Pekka pretty much. Don't consider it as having local storage that you can manipulate.
however there are products like this
 
theres an adapter to hook up cameras/cards, but it might be limited in use: store.apple.com/us/product/MC531ZM/A
 
I agree this is sort of missing
 
@Fosco I bought one for my mother, it's very nice
 
3:05 PM
The file system limitations will end up being the only reason why I won't get one for myself when I quit programming.
 
@LoïcWolff I found them quite clumsy
 
just plug the camera, select the pictures or all the pictures and import
very easy
 
there are programs that kind of give you some local storage... even whole IDE's with FTP support.
 
Yeah, I can imagine there are some workarounds on that level, I see
Man, that really is a big downside. Other than that, it looks great
 
@Pekka what would you be missing out
 
3:07 PM
The device is not centered around a central storage architecture tho
 
one specific example
 
that's one thing that has totally corrupted Windows to the last letter
 
@drachenstern are you a mac user?
 
@Trufa mmm, ordering files the way I want to, making a quick backup of just those files I'm using, and being able to attach a USB stick or drive to copy stuff is what I would fear I'd miss
 
they wanted to move to a storage pool environment with the next version of Windows (see the debacle with Home Server and the removal of Drive Extender technology) but because of so many legacy programs using central storage architecture strategies, you can't move away from it. It's a huge sucking vortex of pain.
@Trufa not yet. I will be as of the end of the year.
I need to pony up my initiation fee so I can drink the koolaid ;)
 
3:09 PM
@drachenstern yeah, MS-DOS and other technologies are still dictating development, to this day
that is how huge the reach is of all the stuff we program today.
It's scary
 
@drachenstern wel, you'll be glad when you join
 
One more question, the battery is fixed, right? So when the battery is dead, there is no option but to throw it away?
 
@Pekka well
you can replace it
not you a a technical person in an apple store
it has a huuuuge life cycle
 
@Pekka I haven't seen the inside of the ipad2, but it can be replaced
just beware "No user serviceable parts inside"
 
@Trufa yeah, it seems they're doing that pretty well
@TimPost I see.
 
3:12 PM
 
@Trufa just to get an impression, is the storage system like, every app has its own?
Or is it possible to have a workspace with files from different apps?
 
@Pekka well not exactly
@Pekka I'm not sure I'm understanding correctly your question
 
@Trufa like, on a normal computer, I have a folder, say, "Sales brochure July 2011"
It contains a number of text files
three photos
and several Word documents with various variants of the brochure
All in one place, regardless of which application(s) I am using to edit the files
Is that possible to have on an iPad?
So I mean a file tree that is all the user's work data, like the "My Documents" folder on Windows >= 95
 
Nope, every app has it's own workspace
 
I see! Hmmmm
 
3:17 PM
I can't remember when they added it, but now you can "share", by that, I mean you're able to send a file to another app
but the app has to be registered for those kind of file
 
@Pekka sorry was on the phone, I second @LoïcWolff
 
I don't really know how this works, I know I can open a file that was attached in Mail with the app "File Pro"
 
Right. That's very limited indeed. Hmmmmm
 
(but wasn't aware of this share feature)
@Pekka In my opinion
not really
 
@Trufa Like I said, it's not with every app.
 
3:18 PM
you have a very good search feture
 
I'm holding out until I see what Samsung does to compete
Every time I buy something new, I end up regretting it in 2 - 3 months.
 
Everything is deeply integrated, it is just a different stystem/concept
 
@Trufa I'm listening closely - if an iPad user says this restrictiveness not as terrible as I imagine, I'm inclided to believe it
@TimPost hahaha! Well, that will not change in the foreseeable future. :)
 
I like Andriod, but I'm kind of partial to it, so I'm waiting to see.
 
@Pekka I don't own an iPad myself (yet) I have playe a LOT with them though and love reading about them
@Pekka this is an opinion, and well the computer system
doesn't seem to make sense in this kind of devices
 
3:20 PM
@Trufa right. Well, this definitely is interesting. What my friend needs it for would be pushing the limits of what the iPad is intended for, but it might just work
If I can get used to the concept, it might even be something for myself once my huge mountain of work is finished and I'm no longer a dev :)
I think I'll sell some of my equipment then, all the stuff needed for hardcore developing, and get something lightweight.
 
My main goal is a tablet that lets me read, use the few web sites that I use, do a little research, play some games without burning my lap or dealing with a clunky netbook. Imagine, calling a netbook clunky, my how times move
 
@TimPost yeah, that plus E-Mail plus basic word processing would do it for me, too!
 
@Pekka One other thing, you must consider that this change of concept migh be hard or bad for my grandma, but someone technology oriented (like yourself) and I guess your friend will have no truble at all adapting, and after tahtm you might even like it and miss it later, it is different but is made to work and work WELL
 
@Trufa thanks for the heads up, yeah! I can see that effect with Apple products.
 
@TimPost I would really reccomend this for you
 
3:23 PM
@Pekka Yes, I want a basic text editor also. E-Mail, I could live without for something recreational. If I had it and it was easy, I'd just work more .. and I'm trying to work less
 
@TimPost think you will enjoy it, It addreses your problem with a fantastic insight IMO
 
@TimPost fair enough! It might indeed be counter-productive on a machine for recreational purposes.
This was very enlightening, thanks for the input everyone! @Trufa @Loïc @Tim @drach @Fosco
I may be back with more questions in the future. :)
 
You're welcome :)
 
@Pekka no problem at all
@Pekka anytime is good ;)
 
@Pekka I'd be happy to answer them here, but if you feel they could be useful to other, don't hesitate to ask on Apple.SE ;)
 
3:26 PM
yawns G'morning everyone.
 
@Pekka Hey, don't look at me, I just told you about the architecture of the apps and I learned two or new things here too ;)
@TimStone poke poke
<hick accent> he ain't dead ya'll </hick accent>
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Uh oh, what'd I do? :P
Oh, hahah.
 
@drachenstern \o/
 
Also, I so imagined it being said in this guys voice:
Cletus Delroy Spuckler is a recurring character in the Fox animated series, The Simpsons, and is voiced by Hank Azaria. Cletus is Springfield's resident hillbilly stereotype. He is very messy and is usually portrayed wearing a white sleeveless shirt and pair of blue jeans. Biography Cletus was introduced during the fifth season in "Bart Gets an Elephant". He is shown as one of the "slack-jawed yokels" gawking at Bart's elephant Stampy. Cletus' voice is slightly deeper in this initial appearance than in later episodes. He, like the Sea Captain before him, was the go-to character for a q...
 
@drachenstern lol :)
 
3:31 PM
Wow, I think I slept like 12 hours.
 
@TimStone me to (the last week) :)
 
@TimStone finally
 
Yeah, sleeping an average of four hours per night at the conference was more than I could handle without some catch-up afterward, hahah. :P
 
Damn, my flag weigh is decreasing
:(
I don't really like this
 
Mine dropped 115 points due to the flag weight recalc.
 
3:36 PM
I would even prefer not knowing
 
@Trufa agreed. The way it is, it is one more parameter one has to "optimize"
 
@TimStone jaja you should really change your name to Time Stone (Not the moderator, that is Tim Post)
 
@Trufa I'm really considering it. Anything over $400 gets on my "let's really think about this first" list
 
And it makes people afraid of flagging things when they think there are not going to be enough peers to flag it too, which on the one hand is probably an intended effect, but on the other hand also stinks
 
@TimStone and I could just become @Thing1 and @Thing2 ... with a nerf battle to the death to see which one of us gets the '1' :)
 
3:39 PM
@TimPost +1 for nerf battle
 
Hahah :P
 
Btw @Tim - no messages for you, any for me?
 
@Pekka oh your gone?
 
I've been out for most of the last three days, but I haven't seen anything, so I think you're in the clear.
 
@TimPost ha that is so funny
 
3:40 PM
@TimStone yeah, speaking of, we can't have any more of these unscheduled leaves of absences
and no, I don't need no stinking grammars
 
I wget transcripts and do a quick grep for colorful words that mention me in the same sentence.. turned up nil also
 
@drachenstern I mentioned I was leaving, you just weren't here then. ;)
 
@TimStone that's no excuse!
I expect next you're going to tell me you knew Adam was going to kill Pollyanna and you didn't do anything to stop him?
 
@TimPost I really don't like this new flag weight, with everything else on this site when you are doing something wrong, you get downvoted, shouted out at the comments, you always get feed back.
 
@drachenstern Though for your benefit, I'll let you know now that I'll be "gone" for two and a half weeks in the middle of April. ;) Off to Europe for a bit. \o/
 
3:43 PM
@Trufa who cares about flag weight? It's a metric of if you're useful to the site. If it's positive you're good. If it's negative you have issues.
 
@TimStone you should totally flag that post for moderator attention and request that it be posted in the future.
 
@TimStone Yatta! I'll finally catch you on the chat message count :p
 
@drachenstern thats the thing
 
I'm not that far behind
 
@drachenstern Well, I am taking my laptop with me..
 
3:43 PM
it is going down and I don't know why (well I know)
 
@TimPost I should! Heheh
 
@TimStone bah, that's useless
 
but it is hard to fix
 
@Trufa impossible. You must know why it is going down. There's only two reasons: recalcs, doing it wrong.
 
@Trufa The thing is, flags are confidential. We can't leave comments like "No this user isn't being an idiot", and moderator messages leave a black mark on your account. Additionally, if I had to put a "reason" for dismissing flags, it would take me twice as long to get through them
@Trufa I agree, it's hard to learn "why" a flag evaporated.. but I don't see any good way of doing that.
 
3:45 PM
@TimPost I don't think a why needs to be given tho.
 
@drachenstern I guess I doning it wrong, but, I KNOW I'm not doing seriously wrong, and would like to imporve it
 
@Trufa how often are you flagging?
@Trufa what sort of thing do you flag?
 
Sometimes, I do contact users using my own e-mail (shyea, like it's a secret) just to say "I got your flag, but I'm not acting on it because .... "
 
@Trufa are the things you flag likely to be flagged by other people?
 
@Trufa, remember that if you're not flagging for mod attention mods can't tell who exactly is doing the flagging
 
3:46 PM
On the OTHER hand
if it was shown what flags were dismissed
 
And if you flag stuff that a lot of people flag, and yours is valid and theirs is not, you could've gotten caught on "dismiss all flags as invalid"
 
we'd have a ton of "WHY WAS MY FLAG DISMISSED???" questions on MSO
 
so e.g. if you make a lot of comment flags and they naturally expire, your mod weight goes down without any human intervention whatsoever, and they do a few days after your flag...
 
I think the system could be better, but I'm at a loss on how to go about that.
 
@drachenstern not too often and pretty much, what I think is the obvious stuff, and (what I think migh be getting my score down) some posts I'm not really sure about
 
3:47 PM
@badpssockpuppet hence my asking him what and how often ;)
 
@Trufa I'm back, but I have to run again soon
Were you meaning to say something?
 
@Pekka I don't quite remember now
hehe sorry
it was something about glag weight
@TimPost the thinkg is, it is making me flag less
that migh be good
 
@Trufa yeah, seconded
 
but it is not making me flag better
 
I don't think that's not good in the end
 
3:49 PM
@Pekka That reminds me, I meant to start running again... Should plan that into my daily schedule somewhere.
 
@TimStone I meant more in the "I have to go elsewhere in a rush" sense... But the latter wouldn't hurt me, either :)
 
@TimPost do you approve dismiss every flag or is there something like a neutral
 
Re flagging, People with views that deviate from the norm won't flag at all any more, and that is not good
 
@Pekka I figured as much, but thanks for the reminder anyway ;)
 
Like, "I won't flag this as offensive although I think it is, because I know most others don't"
 
3:50 PM
@Trufa There's a neutral
I see it, I really can't decide, I leave it for a mod to see
 
@TimPost ok, i think that is good
@TimPost that is a valid flag right?
 
@Trufa That's usually when I don't have a knowledge of the domain in question to make a decision.
 
@TimPost agreed
 
A lot of flags come from technical disagreements, and yes, those should be dismissed. If you flag a post that says editor X is better than anything, that is not spam, it's not hate speech and it's not offensive to everyone
 
grrr "You have 1 vote left today"
 
3:56 PM
But when I can't quite decide if I'm looking at a troll, I leave the flag for a mod that can. Between all of us, we have pretty much every tag covered
 
Yeah, "incorrect" is not a valid flag reason
 
I think I filled the *nix / POSIX / FLOSS gap
 
Flags are not a replacement for the downvote button.
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@badpssockpuppet indeed.
 
After all, one of us is not nearly as dumb as all of us!
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3:58 PM
@TimPost also agreed
 
And what @badp said is a concern. A lot of people flag when they really should be down voting. A flag is not a way to avoid the -1 rep for a down vote.
But, well, context is subjective when we're looking at what you flagged. Sometimes we just don't see what you did .. and that usually results in the flag being dismissed. We do take time to investigate, for instance, I notice a post was edited at the time the flag came in, so I check the post at the revision it was when you flagged it and agree / disagree on that revision.
 
@TimPost so that we are clear, bad quality posts shouldnt be flagged at all? rather, down-voting them?
 
@Trufa No, they should be flagged. 8/10 times someone improves them but not always
 
@TimPost ohh I though (from this conversation) I was doing that wrong
 
No, if you see a post that fits a flag reason, flag it
 
4:03 PM
@TimPost I remain astonished that eight mods -- a single-digit number! -- can keep up with all the flags on SO every day without resorting to a Wheel of Is This Flag Valid. (I know, I know, there are only two options, but Wheels of X are kind of a thing around here.)
 
Flagging an answer that says "Oh, you should totally use regex for that, you don't need an XML parser!" ... that's where you should use your down vote
@PopularDemand The new mod tools help quite a bit, and Jeff often pitches in, so do a few other devs
 
Wrong for technical reasons: downvote. Wrong for social reasons: flag.
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@PopularDemand delightfully laconic and starred :)
 
@TimPost Woo hoo!</homerSimpson>
 
@PopularDemand that is very nice!
and it is actually strangly enlightening
 
4:07 PM
@PopularDemand where can we put this on the site? This should be part of the SE2.0 template somehow.
 
@drachenstern I suggest immediately underneath "Don't lie, cheat or steal."
 
@TimPost Jeff apparently has cloned himself and neither one requires sleep. It's impossible how much he is all over the entire network.
 
Heh, I remember the other day I had to flag an answer where the OP had used two(!) answers on their own question to rant about @TimPost (I assume) removing their comments where they were call another person trying to help them names.
 
Lately , the majority of flags on SO are much needed house keeping tasks. Once in a while I have to intervene as an actual moderator instead of janitor, but not very often.
 
@TimPost doesn't it seem somehow satisfying to merely be a janitor?
 
4:08 PM
@TimStone Hi. Larious.
 
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@drachenstern Don't forget evil Jeff (the one without facial hair)!
 
Cleanup on aisle six!
 
@drachenstern That's actually one of the reasons why I ran. I run into cruft on SO often, it's nice to be able to fix it.
 
@TimPost yep. I went for dba pro-tem so I could see what it is you guys do regularly.
 
4:10 PM
@YiJiang For the love of all that is good do not migrate that to SF :P
 
I split my time alloted for SO 50/50, half being working on flags and issues and the other half being accessible here and in other places.
 
I voted NaRQ, because there's way too much ranting going on in there to actually figure out what's being asked, heh.
 
@TimStone I'm not, but it does need to be cleaned up majorly before I can even understand what its saying
 
Indeed
 
Is Subjective and Argumentative necessary? Isn't it a subcategory of NARQ?
 
4:13 PM
someone should start a site for people who are fed up with life and frustrated. Oh wait, I forgot, someone did.
That was most decidedly off topic.
 
"One of them even ran away with my script then threatened me to sell it if I didnt work for him...' oh wow.
 
@PopularDemand Well, a Subjective and Argumentative question is still a question, so I guess NaRQ would confuse people. :P
 
@YiJiang Is it wrong of me to want to reply "get an effing clue?"
 
@GeorgeMarian :D
 
@YiJiang I got paralized, I did not know why to close it, so many things wrong/strange
 
4:14 PM
That question is now a severed head (no offense @Shog9) posing as a warning to the countless droves of terminally frustrated people who don't read the FAQ.
 
@GeorgeMarian Hehehe, but no, it won't be appropriate
 
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What a great way to start a self-answer. "It appears I lied."
 
@PopularDemand No. NaRQ subjective is entirely different from S&A subjective. Every answer is valid vs. my answer is valid and I'll kill you for saying different...
 
folks, use your close votes :)
 
@YiJiang Heh, I know it wouldn't be polite or very useful. I'm asking if I'm wrong for thinking that he needs to get a clue. :)
 
4:16 PM
@TimPost What @Trufa said there
 
@Shog9 killed himself while arguing with himself, hence his gravatar. I'd take him seriously.
 
@Shog9 Fair enough, I guess.
 
@TimPost don't beat us to it :p
 
@TimPost I will, in just 250 more rep!
 
I couldn't resist.
 
4:19 PM
@TimStone the intewebz is full of some crazy stuff
 
It's a bit weird now because the site guidelines appear to disallow most subjective questions... But really, they outline the sort of subjective questions that aren't useful anywhere - there are still subjective questions that'll fly on SO, provided they aren't argumentative.
 
@TimPost ohh come one, I was having fun deciding the reasons
:)
 
@Shog9 not always. Are you referring to the stuff from back in 2008 / 2009?
 
ouch poor Sathya on the previous question - spent time editing it only have it closed
 
I just got a companywide e-mail stating that all employees must take one of the following three courses:
Preventing Sexual Harassment and Discrimination in the Workplace for Non-Supervisory Employees (1 hour)
Preventing Sexual Harassment and Discrimination in the Workplace for Non-California Supervisors (1.5 hours)
Preventing Sexual Harassment and Discrimination in the Workplace California Supervisor’s Edition (2 hours)
...what's so special about California?
 
4:22 PM
@PopularDemand is that a rhetorical question?
 
There's more laws in CA than most other states
 
@Shog9 No.
 
More laws means more training
 
Then what @drach said.
 
@drachenstern Weird.
 
4:23 PM
Ever notice how everybody has to go by CA law on the likes of Pillows and Mattresses?
 
@TimPost No. what?
 
"this tag not to be removed under penalty of death of your pet dog"
 
@PopularDemand that's just icky.
 
"this chair made with all new Soylent Green"
 
@Shog9 You mentioned some of the subjective questions, do you have a recent one in mind?
 
4:24 PM
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SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!
My uncle was in that movie
(An extra, but it does have a ~3 second close up of him looking like Manson with big bulging eyes)
 
@TimPost I'm so sorry.
 
@PopularDemand lol
 
@drachenstern hey that user stole my avatar!!
 
@TimPost ripped from today's headlines:
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4:26 PM
down-voting
 
(so to speak)
 
@Trufa are you downvoting on merit or principle?
 
@drachenstern principle
 
@Shog9 Subjective in the sense that it really depends on your platform, personal preferences, team skill, etc. But tons of opportunity for backing up assertions with valid technical reasoning, explaining attitudes with historical information, etc.
 
@Shog9 wow five questions in one, a happy meal!
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4:29 PM
@TimPost heh, yup. Though to be fair, the first three are based on a (probably-flawed) assumption.
 
I just got disconnected from a TF2 server with reason "Reliable snapshots overflow"
It's so reliable, it must be fake?
 
OTOH, this probably belongs on Programmers:
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The narrator's voice in this training course sounds disconcertingly like GLaDOS.
 
Ok folks, I'm gone to write code and find edge cases
 
4:40 PM
Happy hunting
 
I'm gonna write code and chew bubble gum!
 
@Shog9 Why not flag when you see that?
 
Anybody want to cast a migrate vote in order to keep my promise?
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@Pekka Or to comment or accept an answer, your comment
 
@YiJiang thanks, fixed
To be honest, I would like to see something like this auto-generated
But it's been suggested, and turned down
 
4:54 PM
Actually, didn't they just implemented the ability for the user to always be to see the number of close votes on their own questions, no matter what reps?
 
@YiJiang yeah, but a new user won't get what that means
They will just see "close" and think O_o
Okay, but you can click "close" and see which reason(s) was voted for
That mitigates it a bit.
Still, I think new users won't get it
 
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