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Wes
12:22 AM
@TimStone Yeah keeps crashing though on this laptop.
 
 
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2:06 AM
 
2:18 AM
@YiJiang Mm, delicious Kentucky Fried Phoenix. It's extra hot, like I like it.
 
2:39 AM
> In the beginning there was nothing. God said, "Let there be light!" And there was light. There was still nothing, but you could see it a whole lot better. ~Ellen DeGeneres
 
3:27 AM
@rchern You wanna fix another small mistake in one of Jeff's answers? :p
 
@TimStone A mistake? Nevah! ;)
 
mistake = typo ;)
A nice, my SO rep is now 4,911 which amuses me, for some reason. :P
 
Getting closer to my mod_rewrite and .htaccess bronze tag badges too, finally.
 
4:17 AM
@TimStone Nice. Those aren't exactly broad topics.
 
4:31 AM
@GeorgeMarian Thanks. And yeah, heh. I try not to answer too much in Java at the risk of being shamed and consequently not being motivated to do work...so mod_rewrite is a nice side-obsession of mine ;)
 
LOL...java. It seems to have less respect than BASIC-y languages. (Except for VB, of course.)
 
Even balpha was in here cracking jokes about it earlier! shakes head
I personally have no huge issue with Java (which is good since clearly it's what we use at work :P). I certainly don't find it to be the greatest language, but it does well enough.
 
Yah, it's fine. A bit too much hype, though.
 
This is true. And the whole "Enterprise Java" deal...heh.
 
Eclipse is written in Java, right?
 
4:40 AM
Yep
 
IIRC Zend IDE 5.x was as well and then they moved to the Eclipse codebase. Certainly the wrong direction, IMO.
 
@GeorgeMarian YES.
I still can't believe they did that.
What a horrible, horrible decision.
I actually used to like the Zend IDE before they made that swap.
 
It went from lame to "wow, I didn't think it could get any lamer." :)
 
Hahah :P
 
I didn't like it. Well, it was fine, except when it misbehaved; which was often.
 
4:42 AM
I dunno, I thought it was decent. But then again, you're a vi person right? So by comparison everything is worse off I imagine. ;)
 
Then again, that was part of the motivation to finally learn vim. lol
 
Oh, this is true. It definitely needed some work.
But I would have rather that they did that work than port to the Eclipse platform.
 
Have you tried Komodo Edit?
 
I feel like I did, briefly.
But I can't remember
 
It's looks decent. It has both Windows and Linux versions. Komodo IDE is the full-blown, paid version. But Komodo Edit has lots of features.
I've looked at it briefly, but I can't tear myself away from working with vi in the shell.
 
4:45 AM
I think that I'd be happy with vi if I had the time to learn vi, heh. But I know that when I use it I'm being far less productive than I should be with so many commands at my disposal.
 
I can do sooo much w/o ever touching a mouse. Even more if I knew the bulk of the core key binds & commands. :)
Yah, it takes a while to get comfortable with vi. And, there's a bit of stuff you should do outside of it to have the IDE magic.
 
I think back when I was doing a lot of PHP stuff I wrote everything in Dreamweaver. Which was funny, because I only used it as a text editor with a built-in project system and FTP client, heh.
 
lol
Yah, vi in the shell is a much better solution.
That's one of the basic reasons I avoid a client side editor. Who wants to deal w/ uploading the file to the server?
Granted, when the network is slow, working in the shell sucks.
 
One of these days maybe I can get the hang of it. I'm certainly not lost in vi, but...
That's true. My test servers are all local, so that's never been an issue for me
 
Have you seen that graphical cheetsheat I posted a few days ago?
 
4:51 AM
Even now, with us using the Play web framework with Java, I just open up a command line and type play start and I'm good to go.
Yeah, I believe I did
 
I just printed that out and pinned it to my cube wall. It went a long way to making things easier.
 
Hm, that's not a bad idea. I'd need somewhere to pin it first though:
 
Nice setup. Is that a glass-top desk?
 
@GeorgeMarian Thanks. :) Yeah, terrible choice on my part. :P
 
lol finger prints?
 
4:55 AM
Tons of them.
 
I'd say tape it to the underside, beneath the keyboard.
 
Hmm, that actually might work.
Seems like there should be just enough space
 
It would be slightly inconvenient, though it shouldn't be too bad.
Though you may get into the habit of lifting up keyboards to check keybinds. ;)
 
Hahah
 
What kinda video card are you using?
 
4:59 AM
I have two Radeon 4870s, but I've been thinking about upgrading since I can't use Cross Fire with them on account of the third monitor.
 
@TimStone Oh? Explain. I'm looking to put together a 3 monitor setup myself.
Ah, they're not in a cross fire configuration?
 
Each of these cards can only support two monitors apiece, so to use the third one I have to take them out of Cross Fire, yeah. :)
The newer cards with EyeFinity are a bit better about that.
 
I've been wondering about EyeFinity.
 
The motherboard I have in here is nice too, because it supports Cross Fire and SLI
So I can switch teams if it seems like the better option, heh.
 
I have a 5750, which is pretty nice. Can it really handle 3 monitors at native resolution?
@TimStone Oh, wow. Nice.
 
5:02 AM
Yeah, I think it set me back $300 or something, but I figured the flexibility was worth it given how quickly they improve the graphics cards (and you never know who will be ahead)
Hmm, that's a good question. I'm fairly certain it can, I remember watching a demo where it seemed very smooth.
 
I'm pretty sure it has a DisplayPort and from what I've read, I believe all three outputs can be used. But, I'm concerned about the total size of the output. Granted, it does have 1GB RAM.
 
1. Go to http://www.sina.com.cn/
2. Do nothing, and wait for advertisements to fill up half the page
3. Go and donate $5 to the inventor of Adblock Plus
 
The cheesy demo on AMD's site, is well, cheesy and not very realistic.
 
@YiJiang Hahah ;)
@GeorgeMarian Yeah, the DisplayPort was actually a contributing factor in my getting these monitors.
They were some of the few at the time which had a connector, heh.
Though the 4870s of course don't have DisplayPort connectors, but I was thinking about the upgrade. ;)
 
hehe
Oh, can the monitors be run at separate resolution? I.e. each at their own native?
I've been wanting to go to a 24", but not if it would have to run at 1680x1050.
By which I mean, I'd like to add a 2nd monitor. Make the current a secondary screen and a 24" as the primary.
 
5:10 AM
Seems that there's no Linux driver support for it yet, hrm. As far as the resolution goes, there should be no problem. I'm not sure how it handles things though if you try to play a game or something that's rendered across all three screens.
Ah ha.
 
I wouldn't expect it to run them at separate resolutions for games. However, i'm not too concerned about the 3-way setup for games.
Right now, I'd have to settle for 2 monitors, due to budget constraints. :)
 
Right, EyeFinity groups the independent monitors into a single entity, so they'd have to display at the same resolution. But you can still use the monitors as independent devices hooked to a single card without EyeFinity grouping.
 
Ok, that would work for me. I'd prefer 3x 24" monitors, but I'd be happy enough with the primary being 24" and the wings being 22 inchers.
 
I think that mine are 20.5"...Turns out that takes up more space than I expected, hahah.
 
And, even for most gaming, it may be good enough with scaling.
@TimStone LOL My desk is well suited for 3 monitors, being a huge corner desk.
Granted, that would be less desktop space for my stuff.
 
5:18 AM
I've been trying to get new furniture, but it's hard to find stuff the same colour, heh. Except black (what my stuff is now), which is hard to find period. :P
 
heh I haven't had to luxury of worrying about matching my furniture. I just try to make sure it doesn't look horrendous.
 
Woah, it's a wall of Atwood on Meta, heh.
 
Heh. Is that what he does when he's not working?
 
5:33 AM
Hah ;)
 
5:45 AM
@TimStone ?
 
0
A: Answer preview and final formatting differ in the face of cross-paragraph inline HTML tags

Jeff AtwoodThere should be no expectation of intentionally valid markup producing consistent results.

I'm pretty sure he meant intentionally invalid markup ;)
That, or I'm very confused. :P
 
and there's some good reason you want me to edit it than you?
 
The whole bit about my not being able to, and such.
;)
 
meh
Seems like a pretty flimsy reason!
Why not just comment lol
 
Hah! Well, I thought about it, but I figured it was inconsequential enough that it might be kind of jackassish to do so. That didn't stop it from bothering me though.
 
5:51 AM
@Tim I must admit that I'm impressed by your setup, that you posted an hour ago
 
Thanks! It's for both work and play, and I've been pretty happy with things so far.
 
Do you ever use the PC and both laptops simultaneously?
I guess it would be spectacular for testing
 
The right-most laptop is more defunct than functional, so it mostly just sits around in case I need to pull old material off of it. I do switch between the desktop and the other laptop a lot, since the code I'm working on on the desktop is often partially broken due to whatever I'm working on, and turning a bit to the right to verify things on the last stable version is easier than swapping branches, heh.
 
haha, I see.
I'd love to have 3 monitors. Unfortunately I'm a student so a laptop made more sense, so I'm stuck with 1 monitor + laptop screen. The difference in size and vertical offset is no less than annoying.
 
6:10 AM
Yeah, I worked primarily off a laptop for the longest time before deciding to make a nice desktop as well. Prior to having this setup, I had two (smaller) external monitors hooked to my laptop. I think I ended up putting them side-by-side above my laptop, since that was a little less annoying than the position difference between them and the laptop screen.
 
@CarsonMyers Heh, I did that at my previous job for a while. Certainly, less than satisfactory.
Eventually, I got a 2nd monitor and I've wanted 3 at home ever since. :)
 
@GeorgeMarian This is the worst part about the whole deal, heh. I keep getting more monitors, yet always crave more space...but the more that I have, the harder it is to go back to just the laptop screen when I'm on a business trip or whatever.
 
@TimStone Imagine having 6 monitors!
I've seen one that someone was using to multi-box Eve-Online. It was something else.
 
One for Eclipse, one for the normal Firefox window, one for the Firefox chat window, one for Firebug, one for ConTEXT (for editing the SE scripts), one for my terminals...I could do that. :P
 
Lol. Yah, I'm sure I could find a use for 'em all. Even if some of that use wouldn't be exactly...er..um..safe for work. ;)
 
6:17 AM
Hahah
The only downside to the six monitor setup (besides the ridiculous cost) is the fact that there's no middle monitor.
 
3+3, i.e. two rows
 
Right, but as far as games go.
 
Ah, yes. Fair enough
 
Since it means that your crosshairs typically live in the bezel, heh.
 
drool
@TimStone Yah, you'd need a 9-way setup for that. ;)
 
6:20 AM
@GeorgeMarian Right? ;) Heheh
 
Just like pron, you can never have enough!
 
I imagine that at some point it begins to get obnoxious having that many screens, though with the right gaming setup I could see it being amazing for gameplay.
 
Imagine color matching 'em all. ;)
Oh, hey. Look at that. Someone actually downvoted this useless answer to my delicious.com question.
(Or, maybe someone rescinded their up vote. I don't have a enough rep to tell.)
Which is rather lame. Why is the rep requirement so high to see the vote counts on the question? That'd be useful information to gauge the community's feeling about an answer.
 
what question are you talking about?
 
I think I would like to have 9 HDTVs for gaming. Three right on the floor, three at eye level, and three slightly above
the three on the floor would be useless for some games, like FPSs. But in a birds-eye-view setup it'd be sweet. Or in a flight sim or similar
Also, pardon the delayed response... I impulse bought a Canon Rebel Xs today and I have to play with it as much as possible to justify the hundreds of dollars
 
6:29 AM
7
Q: Why do vote-counts require 1,000 reputation to see?

SLaksCan the minimum be eliminated? At least for Meta, where the information is more useful? I've never understood this restriction.

 
4
Q: Is there a desktop tool for delicious.com (aka del.icio.us)?

George MarianI'm looking for a tool that would allow me to interface with my delicious bookmarks from within Ubuntu. I know of the Firefox plugin, but I don't want something in the browser. I'd also prefer that it have a GUI. (Though having a CLI in addition would be nice.) All I've found in the repos are...

 
If you can consider that a "why", heh.
 
@CarsonMyers It would sweet for a flight sim, for sure.
@TimStone Yah, that's rather lame.
Though, I guess I can feel good about the fact that it felt like it was just shoved in there.
 
AU? I better not click. @MichaelMrozek would probably be able to magically detect the click and get upset. (;
 
@rchern is he upset about the ubuntu/linux split?
 
6:34 AM
@CarsonMyers Nice, I have a Nikon D50. I thought the camera was a little pricey, then looked at how much you have to shell out for some of the lenses, hahah.
 
I've always been a fan of Nikon. (Not that Canon doesn't make nice gear.)
 
I want to get into astrophotograpy. Unfortunately I couldn't even afford the camera. I don't know where I'm going to find a telescope. For now I'll just take pictures of trees or something I guess.
 
@TimStone Good lenses are always expensive. Precision work and all that. Cheap lenses are rarely worth the money.
 
@CarsonMyers Astrophotography sounds very cool, even if you can't get all the stuff right now.
@GeorgeMarian Aye. Even more expensive when someone drops your camera and it breaks, argh.
 
lol, shouldn't let people hold your expensive lenses
 
6:42 AM
Yeah, I learned my lesson, hahah
 
@CarsonMyers Yah, my pricey equipment is definitly a look from a safe distance and don't touch area. :)
 
@George haha, I'll have to start off with that philosophy and not learn for myself
I only have the one lens though. I don't know much about photography so I'll have to learn before I get further into it.
luckily there's photo.stackexchange.com :)
 
Yeah, I just have the stock lens and a 200mm for the extra bit of zoom.
 
I wonder if a research telescope would typically have a fitting for a dSLR
because my university has a nice one. Maybe they'll let me use it
 
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Q: Conflict resolution between programmers

terminusSometimes, maybe during a code review or a design meeting arguments can get heated and it's easy to insult someone unintentionally. These things can in turn create a tense atmosphere in the workplace or in a team which will sooner or later harm the co-operation between colleagues. My question is...

I so wanted to answer "Go get waster together."
 
6:46 AM
Hahahah
 
@George the funny thing is that it would probably work
 
@CarsonMyers I'm serious. Assuming they drink, it's a great way to deal w/ tension and help people get along. Assuming no one is a bad drunk. :)
 
code reviews should have an open bar
 
Yeah, gotta watch out for those angry ones. :P
 
so should job interviews. So you can find out who is a bad drunk
 
6:48 AM
I've worked at plenty of places where alcohol was the social lubricant.
 
nice
 
@rchern As long as you click more Unix links it's ok
 
@MichaelMrozek lol
 
@MichaelMrozek Not to mention that she'd be clicking that link to see how much fail that AU answer was, which indirectly supports the "cause" anyway.
 
shakes his head at the fail
 
6:50 AM
@GeorgeMarian Maybe I need to require that people drink before coming to ask me things. For some reason people are often pre-apologetic, heh.
 
Like I'm going to just whack them in the face with a hand of blame or something. I really don't understand where it comes from. :P
 
@TimStone Are you in a position of power?
 
Yeah, heh.
 
Also, is it people on your team or just about anyone?
 
6:53 AM
It's a bit of both, really.
 
With team members, I'd suggest taking them out. Not as a bribe or anything. But, a sincere attempt to get to know one another.
Oh, and as a group, not for one-on-one "dates." ;)
 
Hahah
I suppose it might be an age thing too, but.. I'm certainly not an imposing person at face value, at any rate. shrugs But yeah, it's probably a good idea to organize something at some point. We do go out when we go to conferences and such, but that typically involves work networking, so.
 
Yah, it needs to be removed from work, as much as possible. Ideally, leave the shop-talk out of it and just spend time getting to know each other.
Not so much that they may lose respect. I.e. be careful who you get wasted with :)
 
Thankfully I have a fairly high tolerance. ;)
But yeah, heheh
 
Send them the link here. Problem solved
 
7:05 AM
Hahah, somehow that seems unwise :P
 
 
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8:14 AM
Hello @radp
 
Hey @YiJiang, still in China?
 
@radp Yeah, won't be back till Christmas
 
That's internetly terrible!
Hope your family gives you an awesome tradeoff :)
 
@radp I know. Also, for some reason, GitHub is horribly slow here
@radp Not really. The food is better in China
 
@YiJiang You'll pry lasagne off my cold, dead hand! :P
You and your pasta cheap plastic imitation ramen stuff!!
 
8:21 AM
@radp Ramen's Japanese. Also, Marco Polo stole noodles from China, so there :P
 
sssh. Don't mess with my facts.
BEES.gif is the new Best Gif Ever. http://bit.ly/fqRIRQ
not sure what TV show is that supposed to be, but...
 
8:56 AM
Hey, can anyone help me mirror a copy of this script? github.com/jamespadolsey/jQuery-Plugins/tree/master/… Thanks.
Dropbox, Mediafire et all are blocked, by the way, so don't use any of those
 
pastebin?
meh --
/**
 * jQuery.ajax mid - CROSS DOMAIN AJAX
 * ---
 * @author James Padolsey (james.padolsey.com)
 * @version 0.11
 * @updated 12-JAN-10
 * ---
 * Note: Read the README!
 * ---
 * @info james.padolsey.com/javascript/cross-domain-requests-with-jquery
 */

jQuery.ajax = (function(_ajax){

    var protocol = location.protocol,
        hostname = location.hostname,
        exRegex = RegExp(protocol + '//' + hostname),
        YQL = 'http' + (/^https/.test(protocol)?'s':'') + '://query.yahooapis.com/v1/public/yql?callback=?',
There you go.
 
@radp Thanks
 
And remember, the Great Firewall of China is there to protect you! Don't fight it! EMBRACE IT!!
Sorry for the delay, at any rate.
The README links to here, which links to here.
 
@radp It's alright, I didn't need it urgently
 
 
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12:57 PM
84
Q: Mathematical difference between white and black notes in a piano?

egarciaThe division of the chromatic scale in 7 natural notes (white keys in a piano) and 5 accidental ones (black) seems a bit arbitrary to me. Apparently, adjacent notes in a piano (including white or black) are always separated by a semitone. Why the distinction, then? Why not just have scales with ...

3 days and 17.5 k views - at this rate it will be the highest rated question on math.se
 
1:15 PM
@YiJiang It got linked to by TechCrunch
Check maths meta.
 
@radp TechCrunch! of all sites... hehe
 
 
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Wes
2:35 PM
@TheUnhandledException Okay I bit the bullet and posted but that site doesn't exactly look active moms4mom.com/questions/6088/…
 
Hrm. I've been actively avoiding doing things like this but it's no fun if someone else does it. >_<
 
Wes
@rchern So If I get this straight you're annoyed that someone else has done something your avoiding doing?
 
yup! (;
 
Wes
@rchern doesn't that make things easier for you?
 
Avoiding doing because I didn't think we were "supposed" to.
 
Wes
2:49 PM
ahhh
thats different
 
@balpha A couple of days ago you checked the SO source code to help clarify some details around the Tenacious badge. It seems like there might be some more mis-information in the FAQ on this badge (as described in this question: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/71055/…). Are you able to do another check on this (and verify the suggested answer)?
 
@balpha, do you get reports of chat.SE logging people out and sending them back to the rooms listing?
Heh. Popular guy that balpha.
 
@Nailuj will check
@rchern not so far, no
are you reporting something like this? :)
 
No, that would be ridiculous. I would do that in Chat Feedback. <_<
 
Wes
@rchern I haven't looked but have you posted reciently in Chat Feedback? by any chance
 
3:02 PM
hm?
 
Wes
nm
 
@Nailuj checked, verified, and fixed :)
 
@balpha Thanks :)
 
 
3 hours later…
6:16 PM
I'm not sure how my family functions with this internet connection:
[1] [mrozekma@etudes-1 ~] % ping google.com
PING google.com (74.125.45.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from yx-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.45.104): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=2679 ms
64 bytes from yx-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.45.104): icmp_seq=4 ttl=53 time=2718 ms
64 bytes from yx-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.45.104): icmp_seq=7 ttl=53 time=2673 ms
64 bytes from yx-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.45.104): icmp_seq=10 ttl=53 time=2681 ms
64 bytes from yx-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.45.104): icmp_seq=13 ttl=53 time=2708 ms
 
...
Wow, that's pretty slow.
 
It's getting worse before my very eyes. Now every fifth packet is getting through and the time is over 3 seconds
 
Reminds me when I lived on an island with 14.6k dialup, heh.
 
:(
1e100.net, that's a kinda cool domain name though.
 
7:05 PM
has fixed keyboard navigation issues
3
 
@TimStone Here, have a star.
 
Yay, I feel special now!
Heh :P
3
 
 
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9:16 PM
 
Hahah
 
Wes
I've always wondered if that would work
 
my recursive cat watches itself watch itself chase a laser pointer.
2
 
10:01 PM
I guess that should say Feedback cat
 
Wes
hey is there a way to find the SO profile of someone on meta assuming it exists
@Fosco it is funny but its like a graveyard in here today
 
11:04 PM
@Wes If the accounts are linked, they will be listed on the user's account tab.
 
Wes
@GeorgeMarian thanks
 
Anytime.
 

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