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3:00 PM
Less than 8,000 questions to go before hitting the millionth question!
 
@PopularDemand - I see it. Nice.
 
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Q: Chat widget in ad space is predicting the future

Popular DemandI don't know if MSO Chat is an early implementation of Skynet, or if Aiden Bell is a bot, or what, but this just doesn't seem right to me: I like how the chat ad/widget tells me when the last message in a room was posted, but when it tells me about the next message, well, that's kinda creepy.

 
Now showing "in 3 seconds - Popular Demand"
 
something
(Can't let it be wrong, or the universe may implode.)
 
Kev
did Peak cockup their UPS upgrade?: blog.peakinternet.com/monthly-newsletter/…
 
3:10 PM
@Kev - My first thought was - No generator?
 
Wow, downtime makes for a weird-looking front page.
11m ago... 11m ago... 12m ago... 16m ago... 8h ago... 8h ago... 8h ago....
 
Kev
maybe they forgot to fill it with diesel
 
@Kev "Ohhhhh, no, no, no. I already bought this expensive generator, I don't need any of those 'little extras' you people always try to sell."
 
@PopularDemand so, what are we going to call that?
 
Kev
lol
 
3:14 PM
StackExchange™ MultiTouch ChatPreviewer™?
 
Tim
-23s ago..
 
Stack Exchange AwesomeChat AdStravaganza?
 
StackExchange™ MultiChannel SuperPreviewer™
 
Stack℗ Exchange© LiveChatⓂ InstaPreview®
2
... ⁂‽؟
 
You can have unlive chat? :/
2
 
3:19 PM
@PopularDemand Shouldn't it be PrePreview? ;P
 
also, -1, not enough Oracular.
 
StackExchange™ MultiChat ProductivityVacuum™
 
@YiJiang Eh, I can't imagine that bug will last for long.
 
StackExchage™ QuasiOracular ChatPreviewer™
 
@radp I think you need special skills to talk to the dead
 
3:21 PM
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Q: Stack Overflow Outage

Geoff DalgasAs a result of power loss at the PEAK data center as posted on our blog our SQL instance was shut down unexpectedly. SQL Server was unable to recover using dbcc checkdb and we decided to restore from a backup taken at 8/12/2010 00:00 PST. We do have the data and will work quickly to restore as ...

 
@PopularDemand Always good to give it a memorable name. Also, calling that sidebar ad widget the sidebar ad widget is soooo boring
 
Tim
It looks like maybe the servers' clocks are out of sync, so the database is somehow a minute ahead of what it should be, heh.
 
@radp Yes, they're called forums.
 
@Tim they frequently drift from each other
 
ewww! GROSS.
 
3:22 PM
@Tim Sounds likely, yeah. Maybe the friendly time is calculated from the user's system clock? Not likely though...
 
@Tim in fact, they ought to treat one of their servers (maybe the database server) as an NTP server and let them self-sync
 
@PopularDemand I wish that could somehow be pinned on MSO. Is there a feature for that that I'm not aware of?
 
Tim
@YiJiang Nah, it's returned by the web server. The raw times are in the future though, so it's not a parsing error...just a chronological one. :P
 
@AidenBell What have I done?
 
3:26 PM
HAHAHA
That's so great
 
@AidenBell Superscript the copyrights and trademarks, and we're gold
 
@PopularDemand has started (another) monster
 
Tim
@Mark Hm, that doesn't sound like a bad idea. I've never noticed the drift before, but I assume that was because it was small enough not to cause overly bizarre things from happening, heh.
 
g'morning
 
Tim
'Ello
 
3:27 PM
@rchern Evening
 
@rchern afternoon
 
what's happening?
 
SO went down for a while
 
Whoa, it turns out they have enclosed letters even for the letters that don't have meaning when enclosed. Unicode, is there anything you haven't thought of? (Besides crotchets?)
 
@rchern Well, the current topic of discussion is the weird future predicting chat ad that's appeared all over the place
 
3:29 PM
@TheUnhandledException Dare I ask what monsters I've created in the past?
 
future predicting?
 
Tim
@PopularDemand Just in case lawyers need to invent another legal scenario in which to choke money out of you
 
/nick ㊷
 
@Tim I was careful to use only ones that had real -- if nonsensical in this context -- meaning, so I'm kinda disappointed.
 
3:31 PM
Ⓜ? All Moles Whacked?
 
@PopularDemand - something more masculine for ya
 
@AidenBell That's not masculine - that's creepy
 
@rchern The ads under Visit Chat on MSO questions say something like "in 5 seconds - Aiden Bell"
 
Ey, SO is back
 
3:32 PM
pretend it says "within" not "in"
 
@rchern That could still go either way.
 
ok
pretend it says within the last
>_<
 
@rchern That's really long, and I'm lazy.
 
I can just talk continuously, shouldn't be hard
 
@rchern Also, from a couple of hours ago: jsfiddle.net/yijiang/7ZTaJ/5
 
3:34 PM
Just wondering whether to order this: amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1844259412
 
@ChrisF - I never repair the enterprise without mine, so yea
 
@rchern That form really is quite garish :)
 
@AidenBell lol
 
@YiJiang love it!
 
@rchern - your answer to that meta, it seems to be clock skew, not a miss-wording
 
3:38 PM
plus whatever library they're using being over smart :P
 
Tim
Yeah, the time returned by the server is actually in the future, heh. That, or I'm in the past...Hmm.
 
@Tim - Ready for philosophy
 
whatever (;
 
notice on webapps.stackexchange.com/questions it says hours ago
 
3:39 PM
@rchern Try saying something, then reload another page at the same time
 
also, i haven't been awake for long, my humor meter is dangerously low q:
 
The boxes are created by Javascript I believe
 
Tim
@AidenBell I'm not sure I'm ever ready for that, heh. :P
 
@YiJiang, it isn't a live indicator
data is cached for 60 seconds
of that i'm certain
 
shhh come out, don't be shy
 
3:40 PM
@AidenBell The autologin message I think
The bug's already been reported on webapps.meta
 
in Chat feedback on Web Applications Chat, yesterday, by Jeff Atwood
the ad updates every 60 seconds
 
@rchern - but it was referencing the future
 
shrugs and edits StackFlair homepage
 
@rchern I will never understand why woman don't appreciate humour when they wake up, but like to hand it out when they just wake up :P
 
hrmph.
there's a lot i don't appreciate when i wake up, heh.
 
3:49 PM
@Diago - Yea, I am always joking when I say "Hey woman, make me a damn cuppa" first thing ... she just never gets it
 
@rchern Please pass my sympathies on to your other half then :P
@AidenBell Considering it puts my wife near knives, I won't try that stunt thank you.
 
question should probably just be closed as a dupe (:
 
You still don't support poor Community user!
 
I have really forgotten what it feels like to be downvoted.
But this really surprised me
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A: A heartbeat/status page showing whether SO and other SE network sites are up and running

DiagoYou can already do this with the API on every site by calling: http://api.stackoverflow.com/1.0/stats Just replace the sitename with the one you want to monitor. To be more specific from the link provided below: When a site is down, the above API will return an error message when trying to re...

 
Tim
consoles @Diago
 
3:57 PM
@Diago Aw, poor you. I upvoted the comments you asked about earlier, by the way.
 
@PopularDemand Thanks. Just needed some confirmation that my new say it straight attitude isn't a bit hurtful.
Not that I care :P
 
i got what i'm pretty sure was my first downvote ever on any site yesterday
 
@Diago Enforce! Enforce!
 
(;
 
@Diago here, let me get you an opportunity for peer pressure
 
3:58 PM
@rchern Fine, I'll take it back.
 
@radp I already have Peer Pressure :P
 
You still don't have it!
 
@radp Ugh. That's the one badge I hope to never "earn."
 
@PopularDemand, haha
 
@Diago not on MSO
 
3:59 PM
Most of them I don't care about, but that one I'm actively against.
 
@PopularDemand if your answer is that bad, it's probably better off removed.
 
@radp Hmm. Take the hit for a badge and rep recalc. Yeah I can go for that.
 
@radp I try to not post bad answers, and when I do, I try to catch them before they reach score of -3. So far, it's worked.
 
@Diago Because eh... you know, "check the API" isn't really what they were expecting when they asked for an indicator on whether the SE family is up or not ;)
 
@PopularDemand you mean I tried going down to -3?
 
4:01 PM
@PopularDemand I had one get to -3 before I could delete it so I ended up with the badge.
 
@radp I said nothing about you.
 
@YiJiang I disagree. It's a possible solution. The API shows when it's down and when it's up. It's what we use in apps to check the status of a site. I honestly don't get how it can't be a valid option.
Anyway. It's gone now.
 
It's what an external site could also use to check for uptime
 
The comments indicated that whether it gave an error message or not was not indicative of whether the site was up or not
 
which is similar but different :)
 
4:02 PM
Mental Note Typing with an 8 week old puppy between your arms can be potentially dangerous.
@radp Yep
 
@Diago, speaking of apps, working on yours?
 
@Diago D'awwwwww.
 
@rchern Sadly no... Deadlines suddenly popped up out of nowhere. I don't get any time to work on it :( Hopefully by next weekend I can.
 
@Diago Mind removing that double post? The darn thing told me I timed out when I apparently didn't
 
hehe i know the feeling
 
4:04 PM
@YiJiang Link?
 
3 mins ago, by Yi Jiang
@Diago Because eh... you know, "check the API" isn't really what they were expecting when they asked for an indicator on whether the SE family is up or not ;)
And now we see if deleting the original deletes the onebox reference, too.
 
@PopularDemand An interesting experiment, yes
 
@YiJiang Sorry. I deleted the first one I saw
 
I think that is the one I referenced, actually.
 
@Diago It's the correct one (for the experiment, at least) the permalink seems to have failed, but otherwise that box is still there
 
4:13 PM
@PopularDemand The 8 week old.
 
@Diago I repeat: D'awwwwww.
 
The bottom one is the one that died on Wednesday. She was 4 weeks.
 
@Diago Aw.
Sorry to hear that.
 
@PopularDemand In that picture she was lying in my wife's hand on the blanket.
@PopularDemand It happens. We got her on Monday and her mom rejected her. She took a turn for the worse and died 15 minutes after we came back from the vet and she got her boosters.
 
Man, where is Shog? I'm curious about whether he'll call me an "irredeemable bastard" again for referencing his celebrity.
 
4:27 PM
@Diago - Pretty cute. Are they for pets or snacks?
 
@AidenBell Pets. Lolz.
 
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Q: One of my posts on Stack Overflow changed to another one

AntiGameZMy question http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3896082/how-to-add-a-select-list-with-options-to-a-dom-element-using-jquery has disappeared from my profile/logs, and when I click the link I get redirected to another thread. What's wrong? I didn't receive any notification about this.

is this referential integrity loss? ie, pks getting mashed
 
@AidenBell I was pretty curious about the official answer on that one, too.
 
@PopularDemand - Wasn't it Jeff raving about sequential GUIDs in a blog post IIRC?
 
@AidenBell No clue.
 
@AidenBell Yes. Yes, it was.
 
yeah ... cause we want permalinks with guids :)
 
I could have recovered the ids but it would have meant much more downtime ... so we opted to get online asap and copy the content over
 
+1
 
4:38 PM
sounds fair. I saw an interesting article on sequential UIDs with growing-random parts for shortest-length pks somewhere ... wish I could find it
 
hello
I learned today that Stack Overflow does not work without electrical power :P
 
@Chacha102 That's a pretty big bug. They should fix that.
Paper backups of all SE activity, like electronic voting booths have!
 
4:54 PM
Quick, someone go figure out the number of trees we'd have to kill!
 
22 hours ago, by Fosco
@PopularDemand Wood is a completely sustainable resource and we have more trees now than ever. There is no deforestation.
In other words, it doesn't matter!
Disclaimer: I have not independently verified Fosco's statement.
 
@PopularDemand I know, I just want to know how many I have to cut down!
 
@CRoss This being an SO site, I felt obligated to use a canned "this is stupid"/"why do you want to do this"/"don't do this" answer.
 
alas, it wasn't for a change
 
done recovering the comments
crap this takes time
 
5:04 PM
@AidenBell What do you mean by "growing-random parts for shortest-length pks" ?
 
gives @waffles more hamsters to run around the wheel and power things
 
Yeah, we need to make sure those breed healthily
We don't want another black saturday
 
i like how it happened while i was sleeping
 
ok ... it 4:12 am here ... and I am done
Im taking monday off
 
hehe
 
5:16 PM
@waffles What?! What about the paper backup system?
 
The printers are still not caught up to february 2009
 
@Popular ... we should totally send out an email asking all users to print out their questions
 
@waffles No, send that sort of thing via USPS.
Include Business Reply Mail envelopes for them to submit hard copies of questions, answers and comments, too.
 
ha
 
peaceout ... I'm fading fast
 
5:24 PM
sleep well (;
 
@waffles Have a good one.
 
@Chacha102 that surely was an interesting thing to mention at the conference today
 
5:56 PM
Interesting. I just replied in a comment to a new user, who changed his name while I was writing. When my comment appeared, the new name appeared in the comments but not under the question. Which is what I would have expected, since the comments appear to be the only section that reloads, but still.
 
6:26 PM
seems like it did exactly what it should?
 
@rchern Seems so.
 
(:
 
Ugh, I'm getting a headache and I'm not even looking at Gaming SE.
 
ha, but ):
 
NoSQL is so yesterday. NoELCTRCTY is what you need to scale your website!
 
6:30 PM
Nice :)
I daresay SO could handle 10 users just as easy as 10 billion users with NoELCTRCTY
 
@GeoffDalgas I'm telling you, man.
1 hour ago, by Popular Demand
Paper backups of all SE activity, like electronic voting booths have!
 
I'm printing everything out right now
 
Woo hoo! I made a difference!
 
Ah, that explains the screaming
 
[pressing-print-button]
 
6:31 PM
I thought I heard the trees scream outside, but I just wasn't sure
 
Say, @Geoff, you're not going to store those printouts in a facility that's susceptible to, say, fire, flooding or other acts of God, are you?
 
He's stacking them up in Hungary as we speak
 
Or power loss, for that matter; I know I can't read in the dark.
 
suddenly I feel as if there is no deforestation
 
6:33 PM
Deforewhat now?
 
I think SO needs a FAX-on-demand service
 
@balpha I could see that being integrated into the chat.
 
you haven't built that yet @balpha?
add delivery via rovio and it's a win
 
well, ever since that if (Post.Text.Contains("unicornify")) {Post.Votes += 42;} incident, Jeff removed my commit rights
9
 
haha
 
6:49 PM
Argh, major usability issue with the fogbugz and kiln SE sites :(
The logos in the top left corner doesn't link back to the front page of the site
 
How the heck did this room get talking about deforestation?
 
@balpha yeah, what were you thinking when you used that read-only property?
 
Tim
@CRoss Originally? Someone read one of Joel's articles where he uses paper companies as an example, heh.
 
ah
 
if (Post.Text.Contains("unicornify")) for(i=0; i<42; i++) User(-1).upvote(Post);
 
6:57 PM
"upvote"? What kind of naming standard is that?
 
@LasseVKarlsen mine.
 
Well it's a bad one :)
 
It's what Python does
CONSTANT Class instance method multiple_words
 
1. use CamelCase
2. Place verbs first, VoteUp not UpVote (similar verbs with different directions, modes, etc. are grouped together in intellisense)
 
Tim
@CRoss Specifically this one. ...Which incidentally enough was brought up because of its chicken versus egg reference, which was related to people reporting things in Regulator Headquarters...actually, I'm pretty surprised it got there too.
 
6:58 PM
@LasseVKarlsen Seriously! vote(Post, "up")
 
Much better
No good programmer would be satisfied with a method named DestroyBagdad();
 
That sounds like intellisense-optimized naming
 
Naming for discoverability
 
CamelCase is for the birds. mYcOdE lOoKs LiKe ThIs
 
tmpObj.Method_2(Numbers.FORTYTWO)
 
6:59 PM
Ooh, the Numbers enum/constant collection class
Rule 17: Avoid magic numbers
 
@rchern No wonder it took so long to get StackFlair debugged!
 
LOLOL
 
@balpha Numbers.FORTYTWO = 6*9;
 
laughing out loud ... out loud... ?
Isn't that like ... redundant redundancy?
 
shhh ):
 
7:01 PM
Obnoxiously Loudly
 
@radp Numbers.FORTYTWO = Questions.Last().Answer
 
Hm. I seem to have capped after 16 upvotes today.
 
@balpha That call may take some time
 
@balpha Wow, wouldn't it be great if that were possible? Then you really could have "unusually large values of 2"!
 
7:04 PM
@PopularDemand Sure, max(Numbers.TWO)
 
Is that like, the biggest number 2 you could possibly have?
 
yeah, probably overkill
for value in Number.TWO: if is_big_enough(value): return value
 
Better to use LINQ
 
// I'm going to have to distribute a custom Java source package containing
public class Number {
    public LinkedList<Integer> TWO = new LinkedList<Integer>();
    // ...
}
 
var max2 = Numbers.TWO.OrderByDescending(o => o).First();
 
7:07 PM
@LasseVKarlsen Ordering is O(n ln n)
 
Yeah, but there could be many two's
Remember you want the biggest one
there's also a max I believe
 
quoting :226185 "unusually large values of 2"
 
var max2 = Numbers.TWO.Max(o => o);
 
@LasseVKarlsen This seems like a good place for a priority queue.
 
Yeah, a inverse Heap would be perfect for this
 
7:08 PM
$.two()
 
is there a jQuery plugin for this?
 
@rchern Actually, behind the scenes, all jQuery really does is tell the computer that 2 = 6 and 42 = { 29, 17 } until it just gives up and does what you want.
 
i see
 
42 is still 6 times 9 though
2
 
|:
 
7:24 PM
Equivalent to the number of roads you must walk down through life
 
I always knew there was something wrong with the universe
 
fitting
 
user151055
 
user151055
My question gets closed,then gets reopned,now someone comes up saying should be closed
 
@fahad - ffs is that still going on
 
user151055
7:35 PM
@AidenBell:yes
 
Just leave it man
 
user151055
ok
 
Either read the comments and take them on board, and edit, or do nothing
 
user151055
I have a real question and I am not getting convinced,then there shouldn't be anyone trying to close it again and again...
 
@AidenBell I'm famous!
 
user151055
7:38 PM
BTW whose there in the pic above?
 
@fahad - There are some good answers, which combined should give you an idea of what to do next. Ultimately, your question shows a base misunderstanding of some C fundamentals
 
@fahad Nobody doubts that you have a real question, but you haven't asked it well, and you haven't responded to our suggestions for improvement.
 
Which, if you can't interpret the answers given and select the one which helped most, can't be corrected on SO
 
user151055
I selected the best answer
 
@fahad - Asking good questions takes practice (someone post that link from earlier regarding asking good questions ... was it Atwood?)
 
user151055
7:41 PM
I dont have a very good english
 
user151055
not being my mother tongue
 
user151055
so its hard to clearify things
 
Typically:
I want <block_of_code> to do <something> and it doesn't ... what wrong? questions don't go that well
 
user151055
@AidenBell:yes I have read some questions being posted beautifully
 
user151055
but it takes a lot of time
 
7:45 PM
def unusually_large_value_of(number, larger_than = None, is_large_enough = None):
  if not is_large_enough:
    is_large_enough = lambda x: x > (larger_than if larger_then != None else number + 1)
  for value in Numbers[number]:
    if is_large_enough(value):
      return value
 
@fahad, "I don't have very good English" is a perfectly understandable reason for having trouble with posts/edits. "I don't want to spend a lot of time on my question" is not.
 
user151055
Having a bad English is the reason behind not spending a lot of time
 
hrm, I probably should've defaulted larger_than to 9001, however.
 
lol
 
8:08 PM
Heh, I posted a bug report about hitting the rep cap and someone upvoted me in an attempt to help me hit the cap.
 
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A: URL with logical OR of tags

Aiden BellI think this would be partially useful, adding "checkboxen" and a "show only" button to: To allow question filtering on multiple tags. PRO Helps narrow down to some good answers in a subset of tags CON May stop people bumping into mis-tagged questions and correcting them. Sort of boxes people...

Is there another way to filter on a tagsubset I have missed?
Seems like something that may exist but I see why it wouldn't
@PopularDemand Post : "What's the highest integer that can be reached on upvotes?"
 
@AidenBell ... maybe next Friday.
 
@PopularDemand - Thanks for the link, was what I was thinking
 
@AidenBell Sure. Searching is a lot easier when you've seen the result before.
(I.e. Googling "Jeff Atwood ghetto" is easier than SO searching "user:1 tags interesting" or the like.)
 
@PopularDemand - Merit in what Jeff says and a tag-delimiter, I like to think users can be "trusted" to not segregate. I suspect I would be wrong
 
8:22 PM
Ahhh, turning the lights off is so much better on the headache. If not the eyes.
 
@MarcGravell I gather SO had a mental day, things all better?
 
Some people just like to close homework questions, I guess they forget their student days.
 
Well, there are homework questions and there are homework questions
 
8:40 PM
@Aiden for some value of "all", yes. Tbh I wasnt really involved in it all.
 
8:58 PM
Does weishare.cloudapp.net load for any of you?
It hanged Chrome
works fine in IE9 though
nvm and thanks
 
front page loads fine in chrome for me
 
The app is useless anyway
 
9:27 PM
never heard of it
 
9:41 PM
How come some comments I made today show up in my activities list, but when I click on them they aren't there?
 
@sepp2k probably has to do with this:
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Q: Stack Overflow Outage

Geoff DalgasAs a result of power loss at the PEAK data center as posted on our blog our SQL instance was shut down unexpectedly. SQL Server was unable to recover using dbcc checkdb and we decided to restore from a backup taken at 10/9/2010 00:00 PST. We do have the data and will work quickly to restore as ...

 
@balpha Yes, probably. The comments were made during that time, so that makes sense.
 
silly electricity
 
can't we just plug these servers into trees or something
 
9:44 PM
@balpha Should I just close these as duplicates of the outage?
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Q: Why does this question show an incorrect score or vote count?

Peter AjtaiIf you look at this question, you see that the score is 1 (well was when this was written). I believe I upvoted this question and then canceled my upvote... but I'm not 100%. I've tried refreshing the page. Sreenshot: But if I click on the vote distribution, I see this:

 
well, to be precise, it's the dupe of an answer:
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A: Stack Overflow Outage

KennyTMSome restored posts have wrong vote decomposition, e.g. in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3896802/c-programming-language-increment-decrement-operators,

 
@balpha Close enough then. But easier to manage the influx of questions we are going to get about this.
 
@radp, I think you need to be hired around these parts as the official namer.
 
 
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11:06 PM
eww, 4guysfromrolla demo page has malware scripts on it.
 
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