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12:00 AM
$1.99?
 
worth it for the gingerbread alone
 
hehe
I wonder what kind of speeds people can type at on iphones. I mean, there's general ranges for typing on a regular keyboard...
(am i the only nut that wonders this? heh)
 
you can get pretty fast, but it's no contest to a regular keyboard
like The Flash versus .. a guy who can speed walk at the mall
I always feel like superman when I switch back to a keyboard
HOLY CRAP I CAN LEAP TALL BUILDINGS!!
 
hehe, yeah, i'm not aiming to type 100+ wpm on my iphone
just wondering at the comparison
 
we are moving meta to NYC now so we'll see how this goes
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should not affect chat though
 
Tim
12:06 AM
@rchern I'd try and find out how fast I could type if I stopped accidentally pressing the damn send button when typing out a message, heh.
 
ah, so you are why the return button can't be the send button in chat mobile (;
 
Tim
@rchern I'm actually pretty good about staying away from that one. But I do send a lot of half-finished text messages. :(
Or I did at least, I'm starting to get better at that.
 
@Shog9 For once, Apple is behind. Behold step one towards cyborgization:
 
Ugghh, I didn't know that Meta would be offline, I just thought it'd have issues.
 
12:15 AM
crap. i race-type 4 times slower on my iphone than on a keyboard. only 30 ):
 
Wow, I've never seen six 0-vote 0-answer questions in a row topping the SO main page before.
(What? Meta's down!)
 
Tim
@PopularDemand I was startled by all the red
 
i'm not seeing that
 
@rchern Well, yes, it doesn't last for long.
People start voting and answering.
 
hehe
 
12:23 AM
@Tim "Oh no, red! Red means danger and badness! Is SO going down too?!"
 
Tim
@PopularDemand Yeah, that would really cut into my procrastination
 
@LanceRoberts Well, at least you were half right
 
 
1 hour later…
1:43 AM
So Meta is down?
 
yes.
not clear enough? (;
 
2:02 AM
@Chacha102, it is back up.
 
@rchern Do you ever sleep?
 
yes?
 
its like .. late..
 
it's 9pm.
 
7pm .. but w/e
 
2:03 AM
erm
7pm is late?
late for what? hehe
 
the Tavern closes at 6...
 
oh good grief.
 
:P
its one of those hip, day drinking clubs :)
 
hardy har har
 
meh, apparently some people don't appreciate when we provide the same answer as them, but with the correct explanation :/
 
2:15 AM
o:
 
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Q: JavaScript Pass Variables Through Reference

FranciscHello! Is there an equivalent in JavaScript for PHP's reference passing of variables? [PHP]: function addToEnd(&$theRefVar,$str) { $theRefVar.=$str; } $myVar="Hello"; addToEnd($myVar," World!"); print $myVar;//Outputs: Hello World! How would the same code look in JavaScript if possible? ...

I dunno if this isn't ok or it's just that people don't like it.
 
2:33 AM
Anyone ?
 
3:33am is not the time for JavaScript questions.
 
It's not really about the question, it's more about "some people don't appreciate when we provide the same answer as them, but with the correct explanation. I dunno if this isn't ok or it's just that people don't like it."
 
that makes no sense to me.
 
?
@rchern What do you mean ?
 
2:51 AM
I mean I don't know what you're trying to say. ):
 
Well he's stating that "Objects are passed by reference"
But in fact they are passed by value..
When you modify the object, you modify the value, not the reference.
 
but what the heck are you asking? I dunno if this isn't ok
You sound like you're asking if it is ok to correct someone
 
Well I did got 2 downvotes on that answer
Even tough, someone stated it was correct, I was wondering if people just don't like that I do that.
 
don't like that you do what?
 
Or if it was something I should avoid doing.
 
2:54 AM
if someone is wrong, correct it.
 
@rchern - Want covering fire?
 
isn't that obvious though? |:
 
I don't have 2k reputation yet :(
 
@HoxLyxVierx, uh, why do you need 2k rep?
@AidenBell, huh?
 
I can't edit his question to correct the incorrect information. People told him it was wrong and the answer is still misleading at best and just wrong at worst.
 
2:56 AM
i didn't mean edit someone else's answer when i meant correct it.
post a correct answer.
like you did.
but i don't see what the confusion is on, so i must be missing something
):
 
@HoxLyxVierx - Just move on to another question ....
@rchern - I have been following, and as lost as you
@HoxLyxVierx - Have a +1 on me to ease the pain and find another question to answer. I have no idea what is going on in there.
 
Whatever, I'll just forget it. I just don't like when there's wrong answer out there. I might take it too personnally.
 
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A: Is JavaScript is a pass-by-reference or pass-by-value language?

Shog9The variable doesn't "hold" the object, it holds a reference. You can assign that reference to another variable, now both reference the same object. It's always pass by value (even when that value is a reference...). There's no way to alter the value held by a variable passed as a parameter, wh...

 
@shog9 - can you make head or tale of what @HoxLyxVierx actually has an issue with
 
Your answer is fine, I just preferred to argue with the other answerer.
@AidenBell he wants an up-vote?
 
3:02 AM
@Shog9 - Well got one off me just to pipe down lol
 
@HoxLyxVierx, read this:
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Q: How to deal with upvoted yet clearly wrong answers

gbnThese 2 questions have clearly wrong answers with upvotes. And they're still getting votes. The log file one especially could be tried out, it would fail, but someone still voted it up. A downvote and comment has no effect. Like we have "vote to close", what about a "vote to delete" for answers...

 
@HoxLyxVierx - Actually, read @shog9 's comment. It makes a whole lot of sense.
 
I saw it
 
If i wasn't so busy, I'd just edit vol7ron's answer and up-vote that. But for now, I'll give you a bump @Hox, since you did do a slightly better job of explaining what's going on.
 
@shog9, it is 4:08am here, but @HoxLyxVierx code doesn't really say much in relation to the question. The comment part is just confusing
 
3:10 AM
@AidenBell Well, the answer to the question is, "No you can't."
but, "In Javascript there is no passing variable by reference like in PHP. There is a possible workaround to do something similar." is a reasonable approximation.
 
//Outputs: "Hello World"?
 
lol, forgot to edit that part :/
 
HA!
 
Perhaps that is the source of the downvotes, reading it just didn't grep for me
 
I didn't even read the code
 
3:11 AM
:S Case closed
And @HoxLyxVierx persistence got 2 upvotes ... winning strategy
@Shog9 we got suckered in there.
lol
 
ah, too true
 
Well the other guy got 4 upvotes (and 1 downvote)
 
I understand the semantics and even my brain was saying: "I know what is being said, but something smells"
@HoxLyxVierx - well you live to fight another day
 
@HoxLyxVierx: so somebody else got upvotes. not really a huge deal
 
Yep, but at this point, I'll just leave it. I can't do anything more.
 
3:14 AM
@HoxLyxVierx - The amount of times my answers have clearly been superior in every single way ... I end up with -1 and some douche gets +128
No biggie
 
I know, but that sucks
 
you are guaranteed absolutely nothing when you post.
 
@HoxLyxVierx - It all averages out, sometimes you get too lucky also
Ah, I remember that fateful compiler question ...
 
@HoxLyxVierx careful about saying that... One of my most-upvoted answers was a trivial little "write my jQuery code for me" response that I just kept expanding in response to comments...
 
@AidenBell True, I find that I get most of my reputation comes from easy question. And the best answer I gave actually have few upvote
 
3:17 AM
I don't even program games
 
4
A: MD5 Hash function in excel?

HoLyVieRSome links in the question Password hash function for Excel VBA are now broken. Here is an updated version of the accepted answer on that question : You'll find an implementation for VB and VBScript here: http://web.archive.org/web/20080526064101/http://www.frez.co.uk/freecode.htm#md5 ...

 
sometimes the short and sweet answers are big hitters: stackoverflow.com/questions/2010868/…
 
@AidenBell decent answer though
 
@Mark - I waffle, always. It is a curse
@shog9 - Generic+Gaming terms - Actual pro games programmers answered ffs. I feel guilt on that one :P
 
at its core, that question wasn't so much about game programing even, as it was a "why does example code invariably violate the most basic style recommendations?"
 
3:19 AM
agreed there.
 
@AidenBell well I got most of my upvotes there for saying YAML and JSON and linking to a wikipedia list, most folks just said one thing
the idea is to consolidate good info fast on the easy questions
=)
 
Amazing how far linking will get you. So easy, yet so often neglected.
 
Yep, link are really great tough
 
@Mark - I know, I just never be concise. Link bombs are good.
esp at Amazon $$$
lol
 
@HoxLyxVierx yes! and it adds substantial value for any reader. I often lag about 30s to get the links
 
3:22 AM
They should add link helper for common website like PHP.net
I should propose that on MSO
 
I think it's already been suggested, though probably not well
I'd love to see that for MSDN and MDC also
 
I'll search it
 
now that I think about it, might even have been an old UV suggestion - in which case, definitely re-suggest
 
@shog9 - Just a #!/bin/php at the top of code-blocks would be good, then some href'd function names and stuff
 
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Q: Make it easier to link to documentation for common technologies

Jon Skeet(This is related to "Advanced Syntax Ideas" but not quite the same.) I don't know how many links I add to docs in one day of posting, but it's a lot. I've made this somewhat easier with "smart bookmarks" or whatever you want to call them so that if I open a new tab and type msdn system.diagnost...

 
3:24 AM
ah, very good
wow, can't believe that never got more traction
the "Advanced Syntax" one either... I recall that being referenced fairly often way back when
 
I added a bounty
 
heh... Does that work?
 
It is in the featured list now
 
Tim
@HoxLyxVierx Heh, my only downvote was for (as far as I can tell) answering someone with a 0% accept rate. On the flip side, my highest voted answer wasn't all that useful, but it was on one of those popular irrelevant questions. People don't always vote as I would, but it doesn't impact what or how I answer, so. :P
 
My highest vote answer is a Code-Golf, I got 0 reputation from it, but I got 2 badges.
 
3:28 AM
My highest voted answer is, and likely always will be, an insult to Java
 
lol, good old hate against Java.
I used to dislike the hate against Java, but now I just find it funny.
 
on an unrelated note, cafepress's customer support is awesome.
 
Tim
@AidenBell I'm...somewhat surprised by that, actually.
Not from personal experience or anything, I just wouldn't have automatically expected that.
 
Me to, and 100% via email
1st class. Would have been nice if they delivered the package in the first instance, but the support. 10/10
providing their second attempt arrives lol
alot of buts there
 
Well, I'm off now. I have an exam tomorow. I need to get some sleep.
 
3:36 AM
@HoxLyxVierx bye!
 
3:55 AM
Looking at your own week rankings on SO is depressing. Not motivating
 
heh, last week i did really well
this week, not so much
 
Im like down 3,000 each week or some shit
 
@AidenBell yeah, but i bet your quality of life increases as your rank decreases
 
@Mark - The slew of boring questions puts me off. I know that 100 people will answer the same.
 
indeed
last week i got stuck for 2 hours on 1 question
and by stuck, i mean addicted
 
4:03 AM
@Mark - No but the amount of work correlates to my rep graph
Non-SO work ;)
Or counter to that, my chances of meeting my targets declines as rep increases
I havn't really taken to any of the Area51 gigs either.
 
5
A: Find largest number with all contiguous triples being unique primes

MarkI believe the best answer is 9419919379773971911373313179. Edit: slightly more concise -- appropriate sorting returns the largest number first. Note the reversal shouldn't count against the computation time, if I were less lazy I'd just store the list in that format to begin with... edit: sligh...

thought that was actually a lot of fun to play with
the code-golf tag got added to the question much later
the original intent was to make something fast, and that Java solution is a good order of magnitude faster
too bad it wasn't terse enough to get all the upvotes of the python solution
 
Interesting stuff
 
@AidenBell me either.
 
@Mark If they joined reps into a super-rep ... then maybe
and allowed a drill-down
 
actually, I'm just not really interested in the other stuff, haven't found an urge to join those "communities"
it's fun for me to think about problems to solve algorithmically...the other stuff..meh
 
4:08 AM
I know what you mean -- the 51 sites seem too niche I recon
broad base is good, for me, as a user
 
i can see that, too
 
 
1 hour later…
5:43 AM
'Morning
 
They blurr together these .... days
 
Tim
Hello
 
@MarcGravell - a) What is the cash/rep exchange rate and b) are ya selling. I clocked myself on the weekly rankings, very depressing.
 
there are some things money can't buy...
 
Tim
Hmmm...The associated accounts tab on meta is broken.
 
5:48 AM
wahoo! finally making some progress with this code
 
@Tim - Seconded
I mean, can't people migrate an entire site, to another site without downtime or glitches ... sheesh!
;)
 
Tim
@rchern Congrats!
@AidenBell I know right? :P
 
Hey, is OnStartups a SE1.0 graduate?
Because they DO get their own domain name, apparently. I didn't spot that in all the hoohah of the last few days.
 
I dunno, but common sense is off kilter over there
 
yeah...no domain names isn't global across the board
 
5:54 AM
What piqued my curiosity is that they already have a logo, even though they're still in beta.
 
(but yes, they're a 1.0 site)
 
Must be because Joel likes it so much (he's got two accounts there - an artefact of importing from SE1.0, I suspect)
 
anybody else missing the inbox link in the StackExchangeâ„¢ MultiCollider SuperDropdownâ„¢ on Meta?
 
The what now?
 
Tim
@rchern Hmm..yep
 
6:02 AM
yea, probably the migration
@rchern
 
hmm, think so?
meta has a newer version
 
Dunno. Not staffage
 
Tim
I suspect it and the lack of associated account...ness may be related.
 
Meta: revision: 2010.10.7.4
WA: revision: 2010.10.6.1
@LasseVKarlsen, educate yourself!
5
A: The Many Memes of Meta

dmckeeMeme: StackExchangeâ„¢ MultiCollider SuperDropdownâ„¢ Originator: radp, made popular by rchern in a comment on this question First Seen: 27 Sept. 2010 Cultural Height: margin-top: 6px; Definition:

 
ah, ok
Hah, there is a close link there, right, hadn't noticed that
 
6:06 AM
@rchern - If it were colliding a sub-atomic particle, and you could invent one, what would you call it?
 
The Orgasmatron
 
subtle
The (:-quark or +1-boson
 
heh
 
(:-quark actually looks like... something...
 
@Benjol, ah! that's why you were asking about OnStartups, heh.
 
6:17 AM
@rchern, interesting to note that in their meta, some people were regretting not having the *.stackexchange url...
 
oy
 
6:30 AM
deployed at last
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A: "You have gained power. Here's how to use it." kind of message.

wafflesCompleted, to be fully deployed next week. There are 2 types of notifications you can get: A batch notification that lets you know you got a bunch of new abilities, that takes you to http://meta.stackoverflow.com/abilities If you only gained one new ability you will be directed to the actual...

 
I was actually just looking at the privilege list on Unix; apparently proposing tag synonyms wasn't adjusted for the SE betas, so it amusingly requires 500 more rep than pseudo-mod tools :)
Do you have a screenshot of one? It's too much effort to find a site that I'm near a rep limit on
 
6:46 AM
click, click, whirr, click, click whirr...ah yes, the sound of chrome thrashing my HDD =/
 
Chrome is about 10 times faster than Firefox was on my computer, except when it suddenly goes crazy and consumes all memory and swap space in a few seconds and then freezes
 
Eeek...I haven't had it act up like that, thankfully.
And it usually takes a while before it goes into HDD thrashing mode. Maybe the defrag wasn't such a good idea. ;)
 
7:11 AM
Oh, what the hey...a little more scotch never hurt anyone.
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Tim
@GeorgeMarian Rum, on the other hand..
 
@Tim Heh...tequila is quite dangerous as well.
 
Tim
Agreed, heh.
 
So, I wrestled with vim's coloschemes for quite a while yesterday. Finally started to get it looking like my old scheme. So, I pluncked a "coloscheme minenew" line .vimrc, only to have it not work exactly right... =/
 
Tim
What went wrong?
 
7:18 AM
Not exactly sure. The colors are wrong. I think it's as if I had specified background=dark with the default scheme.
 
Tim
Hmm
 
If I specify the coloscheme myself or source .vimrc manually, it works just fine.
 
talking of vim, you guys got me sufficiently interested to download and install it yesterday... Is there any nice 'brain training' tutorial that you know of?
 
Oddly enough, it seemed like the if statement around it was the culprit, but that doesn't seem to be the case as I've removed it.
@Benjol The built-in tutorial is what got me going on it. Though I forget how to start it up. Let me search for it.
@Benjol Did you download gvim?
/headesk
I guess I'll just go with a keybind for now. Grrrrr.
@Benjol Ok, so on Linux, it's vimtutor to start the built-in tutorial. Or, vimtutor -g to start gvim. I guess there may be a batch file for windows.
 
7:34 AM
@GeorgeMarian Yes
 
@Benjol Try vimtutor at the command line. You may have to navigate to directory manually.
 
@GeorgeMarian, thanks, nice. Now I've just got to re-install in English (I just dumbly clicked through the install and it looked at the language of my OS apparently :(
 
I left native language support checked... Even reinstalled I still have to tell it to vimtutor en, it's too clever otherwise :)
 
7:51 AM
Nice. Sometimes features are just too good for their own good.
 
8:34 AM
LOL I was just notified that I could cost close/reopen votes on programmers.se. Kinda odd, as I had just hit 722 rep. :)
 
9:05 AM
Anyone got any news regarding the timetable for the real SO chat?
 
pretty soon
 
Can you narrow it down? Are you measuring in months, weeks or days?
And I won't hold you to it, I fully understand the concept of things that crop up unexpected :)
What's the holdup actually? You gathering experiences from the other sites before you launch SO? I'm guessing it will be expected to go nuclear in terms of activity
Scalability for instance?
 
We can't have the unwashed masses in here...
 
Tim
MSO chat FTW!
 
Just hire a bouncer at the entrance
 
9:15 AM
First we need an extra button next to "send" which automatically sends "Read the FAQ"
 
He can ensure everybody is thorougly washed
Yeah, good point
Canned responses :)
 
Otherwise you'regoing to spend all day answering "hey, how did you do that wikipedia thing?", and "what is that little arrow next to my name?" etc..
 
Will there be privileges attached to reputation on chat as well? Not that there's anything I'm missing, but will everybody be able to post pictures from day one?
I guess now is the time you're looking for that "Read the FAQ" button, huh? :)
btw, prefixing "chat." on the url for a SuperUser question didn't work, gave me a page not found with Picard and Riker in funny hats
I liked the picture though :)
 
Yeah, definitely high rep filter for animated gifs :)
 
@LasseVKarlsen what question?
@LasseVKarlsen probably no later than the end of next week, possibly earlier
 
9:20 AM
hmm
I tried it again, works now, what did I do different...
Oh, I used the link from my event page, which linked to the answer I got
That didn't work
This gives me the option to create a chatroom:
This does not:
So SO chat possibly by the end of next week? Nice :)
 
status-all-hell-let-loose
 
 
2 hours later…
11:20 AM
Almost 50K points now:
49,999 points :P
 
Want me to tip you over, or are you savouring the moment? :)
 
It'll fix itself :)
 
@LasseVKarlsen - Shakes fist 50k
 
@AidenBell :) don't these guys sleep?!
 
hehe
I've been here since the beta :)
Consider this, Jon Skeet has the user id 22656, I have user id 267
And he has, what, 5 times as many points?
4.5 almost
Secretly I think he's a vampire
I hear they don't sleep
 
11:28 AM
I think he actually cracked SO for those points. I have proof, but I am waiting until I can blackmail
 
Yeah, well I have user id 11410, but it didn't help :(
 
I like my number: 104040
too bad it isn't 101010
There is a botnet out there, somewhere, doing his evil deeds :P
it is written in C#
 
Yay, over 50K :)
 
11:44 AM
@LasseVKarlsen, congratulations :)
 
@LasseVKarlsen I can only dream of the day.....
 
I wish I hadn't pushed my most up-voted answer into CW :(
But I was a bit over-zealous with editing, and it was auto-converted for me.
 
@LasseVKarlsen I have to confirm but if I recall after a certain number of votes an answer can also be converted. Or it may have been up for discussion at some point.
 
Ok, that could be, but I think it was my editing
I think there's a threshold, >10 edits in a few minutes, or something like that
or >5 or whatever
But yeah, could also be after some specific vote threshold
 
Tim
88
A: What are "Community Wiki" posts?

Justin StandardWhy have Community Wiki posts? One of the goals of the website is to be a continually evolving source of good information. Community Wiki posts help enhance the wiki aspect of the site. How do Community Wiki posts work? Community Wiki posts work by transferring ownership of the post from the ...

;)
 
11:57 AM
hmm, how can I change ^http://.*gaming.stackexchange.com/.* to only match ^http://gaming.stackexchange.com/.* and ^http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/.*?
 
Is that last ? part of the regex? ;)
 
10 edits then :)
 
@Benjol no, it's not part of the example match or the code formatted text either ;)
 
Tim
^http://(meta\.)?gaming\.stackexchange\.com/.* ?
 
stick (meta\.)?
 
11:58 AM
oh. right, thanks :)
 
snap
 
I wish CS regexps and real life regexps shared the same syntax...
 
"real life regexps"?
 
the ones computers actually parse
 
is that like GoingHome(g/(bus|taxi|train)/) ?
 
11:59 AM
@radp, if you want real pain, try using VS Find/replace regexs :)
 

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