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7:03 AM
hola
 
Tim
Hello
 
it's kinda quiet around here right now, in case you haven't noticed ;)
Frustration redefined: trying to setup my old vim colorscheme.
 
Tim
Ah, damn you updates..Time to restart.
 
One thing's for sure. I'll be here a WHILE.
 
@spoulson whacha working on?
 
7:07 AM
In early for a prod deployment, then got caught in a scheduling snafu with HR orientation the following afternoon.
 
Sounds like fun.
 
So I'll be here for ~15 hours.
 
I'm going to be a zombie. I just hope the COO doesn't catch me snoozing during his speach.
 
7:09 AM
But I brought my lappy so I'm going to kill time working on my pet project.
 
I sure managed to kill a lot of time. =/
 
by what means?
 
Wrestling with vim color settings.
 
That'll happen
 
The syntax files are a huge cascade of weirdness.
The keyword "function" comes under "Define" not "Statement', apparently lol
 
7:13 AM
I can't get hooked on vi style editors.
I tried emacs for a period of time. It's too quirky to use on a regular basis.
 
I tried emacs first when I became a PHP dev, as every run-in with vim ended in frustration due to the various modes.
However, emacs was just too bloated and weird for my tastes. So, I finally sat down with the vim tutorial.
 
I do like emacs. It really needs a refresh on its UI approach.
It's not fair to turn users into eLisp coders just to customize the thing.
 
I tried a bunch of GUI IDE for PHP, like Zend's IDE. But, for some reason, I just have to do in the shell.
Komodo Edit looks pretty nice. I've tried that out a bit.
 
You know what worked best for PHP dev for me? Visual Studio hacked to highlight .php as C++.
 
I stopped trying to futz with emacs when I realized that my hands would seize up again. :)
@spoulson Interesting.
 
Tim
7:18 AM
@GeorgeMarian I liked the Zend IDE until they decided to get lazy and switched to using Eclipse :(
 
I wasn't willing to buy an IDE. I tried about all the freeware/OSS editors I could.
None of them were as clean as VS2008 at the time.
Notepad++ was close, but I couldn't get a dark theme on it and I work best that way.
 
@Tim I never bothered with that version. I had too many issues with 5.x versions.
@spoulson Yah, I tried it as well and still use it as my general GUI text editor. I, too, tried to get a dark theme working and gave up.
 
One day I might actually write my own text editor. I'm so fed up with the selection out there.
Many of them have great features, but not one has them all in one package.
 
Have you tried Komodo Edit/IDE?
 
Nope. Is there a trial on it?
 
Tim
7:21 AM
@GeorgeMarian I haven't been much of a fan of Eclipse for anything other than Java. And I'm not even a huge fan of using it for that, but that's what we use, so..
 
Komodo Edit is free and there are versions for Linux and Windows.
 
hmm
Trying it now
 
Komodo IDE includes things like debugging and I forget what else.
 
Writing a text editor is up there on my list of "one day, I'll write this eventhough it'll end up being a complete waste of time". Like writing a MOD player.
 
lol
It's funny, there are soooo many editors.
 
7:23 AM
text editors can be as simple or as complicated as you like
 
I always wanted to write a MOD player so I can listen to my collection
 
@Tim I tried to give Eclipse a chance and was exited about it as an idea. Not so much in actual execution.
 
I tried the "e" editor, which is supposed to replicate TextMate. Was interesting to use, but was buggy at the time (mid-2009)
 
If nothing else, I've learned a bit more vim tonight.
 
Tim
@GeorgeMarian Yeah...there's a missing level of consistency and stability that gets on my nerves sometimes.
 
7:26 AM
yay vim
I've used it for well over 10 years and still keep learning new things :)
 
It's amazing how much there is to vim.
 
How do you get over the edit mode vs. non-edit mode switching?
I just want to click at some code and start typing
 
@spoulson By constantly checking the bottom of the screen. :)
 
Tim
@spoulson That's what you get for using a mouse!
 
I do a lot more moving around than actual typing
 
7:31 AM
I'm always afraid of not being in edit mode when I bang out some code and end up reformatting my drive.
 
this is one of my favourite articles on the topic: viemu.com/a-why-vi-vim.html
 
The first thing when using vim is to ask yourself: what mode is active?
The next thing to keep in mind, undo: u.
 
yes, and expecially make sure you're not in vi-compatibility mode where there's only one level of undo
 
Gah! Why does CurseClient have a virtual size of nearlly 300MB?!?
That's just nuts. It's a stupid little app to keep WoW addons updated. =(
 
virtual size is virtually meaningless
 
7:38 AM
@GeorgeMarian So far I'm impressed with Komodo
The built in dark theme is pretty appealing. Looks nice w/ Consolas 11pt
 
@spoulson I was surprised by it. It seems very well cone.
@GregHewgill It explains the HDD thrashing whenever I bring up the window.
 
maybe it's just bloatware :) what's it written in?
 
@GregHewgill .NET =/
 
sounds typical then!
 
I'm guessing it's the stupid ads, otherwise there isn't much for it to do. Check the version of some addons and download new versions occasionally.
Ok, it's definitely past my bedtime. The morning's gonna suck, but I'm finally starting to like the look of my vim!
g'night folks
 
Tim
7:47 AM
G'night
 
later
 
8:07 AM
@GregHewgill What's the best Windows version of vim to try?
 
gvim
Periodists... "It is calculated that 5% of students are above the average"
 
yeah, gvim is probably the one you want. It's got mouse support and scroll bars and menus and toolbar buttons
for hardcore usage, vim works in a console window and has no such decorations (although I think the mouse might work)
 
cool
 
what's sad about periodists that it's so old and reiterative that's not funny anymore :(
 
8:25 AM
for a moment I thought I read "what's the best Windows version of Wine to try?"
 
a Windows Cabernet Franc
 
or a Windows Cabinet File
(pronounced cab-een-ay)
 
I think that when you have to explain things in parentheses they are not funny anymore (because, you know, the surprise is taken away)
 
yeah well it sounded different in my head from how it looked on the screen
 
gives the 10k tools pages a last load
 
8:38 AM
Hello radp
yes, I'm drinking vintage 2001 Cabernet XP
 
and, have you installed gvim yet?
 
@JohntheSeagull Yes. I guess I'm waiting for a reason to use it. :)
 
Write a TODO list
 
Next time I'm hacking at some non-.NET code, I'll fire it up
 
First item:
- Use GVim
 
8:42 AM
First item should be "Eat breakfast". I'm starved!
Cafe doesn't open for 2.25 hours
 
no fridge? empty fridge?
You can do a fair amount of vimming in 2.25 hours
 
Not my fridge. :)
Wish I could work from home
 
Tim
@spoulson I do most of the time, which is nice..to an extent. It does become very easy to get distracted though, heh.
 
@Tim How did you get that gig?
 
Tim
@spoulson We're a small company, and at the moment there isn't a lot of collaboration going on, so individual productivity is more important.
 
8:58 AM
@Tim what connectivity do you have? and what kind of router/VPN?
 
@Tim Is this a startup you founded or just knew the right people to jump in?
 
Tim
@JohntheSeagull Everyone has individual environments, and our repositories/team collaboration software are off-site currently. I suppose I'll have to look into getting a more formal setup established one day..
 
off site like on github?
 
Tim
@spoulson I'm not the founder, but basically we work in an industry that moves slowly enough and is specialized enough that we have time to develop solid products while remaining competitive.
@JohntheSeagull We have Rackspace servers.
 
do you compete against big'uns?
 
Tim
9:09 AM
Kind of. A company that works in our general space was recently bought by Oracle for somewhere in the area of 640 million USD, I think.
Their more lucrative products were for things that we aren't concerned with though, so.
 
9:34 AM
Anybody still alive?
 
Tim
I am, somehow.
 
Sooo bored
 
Tim
They had you come in early just to sit around, or?
 
Pretty much
I was expected to babysit prod deployment of two apps.
Turns out there's 2 other devs also supporting it
 
Tim
Oh, ouch.
 
9:40 AM
So I brought my lappy to work on my side project
But now I'm too tired/bored/uninspired to work on it.
 
Jin
i forgot, i'm still up too
but heading to bed now... gn.
 
So I'm making some black tea to stay awake
 
Tim
@spoulson Yeah, I've been meaning to work on my own side project..but I feel like I should get real work done first, heh, and I haven't gotten over that hurdle yet.
@Jin G'night
 
Bye Jin
I've been working on this side project on what little time I have. Hard to believe I started it in Jan 08 and still haven't finished. :/
 
Tim
What are you working on? (if you don't mind sharing)
 
9:42 AM
Well, it started as an exercise on my recently acquired .NET 2.0 dev certs
And worked into a web-based monitoring service
Watching stuff on the net and keeping track of changes
 
Tim
Ah ha
 
changes = change of state. Like ping failing, GET request failing, or whatever.
Considering monitoring non-infrastructure stuffs, like social networking, Google ranking, etc.
And I totally overengineered the scheduling engine
 
Tim
Sounds pretty cool
 
Been working on the web UI lately. Basic functionality is there, but now I have to apply a decent design.
 
Tim
@spoulson You just enterprise-d it, of course.
 
9:45 AM
And I'm not a designer. I struggle with that stuff
 
Tim
Ugh, design.
 
@spoulson Overengineering is fun! There's a whole domain of development, called "Software Overengineering".
 
Tim
I don't mind doing it, but I'm never satisfied with what I come out with, even if other people like it.
 
@PavelShved That should be an SE site
 
Tim
So then I get hung up on that and progress stalls...I've been trying to avoid it for a while now.
 
9:46 AM
@Tim I agree. And I hate copying from other's works. Taking a stock theme is not my style.
 
@tim try releasing it as open-source? (Whatever it is)
 
Well if nothing else, this project taught me the innards of recursive descent parsing.
 
Tim
@spoulson Yeah, I like to start from scratch with that sort of stuff.
@PavelShved Well, I used to have to do design for the sites that I created, but I don't do freelance web stuff anymore.
 
What I came up with was a solution to "how do I script a definition for single or recurring time events?"
 
@spoulson How does it compare to Polymon?
 
9:52 AM
I looked at it some time ago.
I think it's suitable to run some of the functionality I have in mind
But, it's Windows service based. My aim was to make the monitor agents run on commodity ASP.NET web hosts
So I'm using a hack to run a background timer in ASP.NET to pick up scheduled tasks, execute, and return status
 
and how do you escalate privileges?
or you can't monitor privileged stuff?
 
This way, I can roll out many agents in a distributed model
I'm monitoring Internet resources only
Start with a "Is my site still up?" monitor
Ultimately, I'd like a scripted web session test.
But that's a long way away I think.
 
A good compromise is to "look for this string on the returned data for the request GET /whatever HTTP/1.1\nHost: whateverhost\n\n"
 
It looks like they've done a lot of work on PolyMon since I looked at it. Maybe I should see if I can implement the service in the model I want.
@JohntheSeagull Ever used SiteScope?
 
9:57 AM
You're not missing much
But it does have a pretty nice web session monitor.
You give it a URL to start, and it'll itemize the different paths you can take... links, forms, frames, etc.
Plug in form parameters, submit, then it'll recurse to create more steps.
But anyway, there's plenty of sites out there that do web site monitoring. Nothing new.
My thing was to start with that and expand into uncharted territory.
uptimerobot.com is my favorite for quick and easy and free.
But that's all it does, is watch site availability by URL.
 
6
↑ awesome
 
Tim
That is awesome, hahah
 
Eeeeexcellent!
Nordic people are very creative usually. Must be the climate
 
10:14 AM
I'll agree to that.
Can't view the video from work, tho. :(
I caved and am watching on my iphone
This watches like a demo
Music is def demoscene inspired
 
Awesome.
I think, "technical" people find it especially awesome.
 
I can easily picture non technical people saying "huh?" about this
 
Tim
Little Red Riding Hood is lucky she didn't get run the hell over
I didn't see a stop sign or a crosswalk on that road.
 
On the topic of demos... I wonder what you guys would think of one of my faves:
Consider this is a Windows app that's 177K and you can download and run it yourself. Or, just watch the video.
 
11:06 AM
↑ also awesome (not as much though)
 
greed's evil
Very less awesome, this is merely a pink panther rehash
 
11:25 AM
@JohntheSeagull it's not greed. it's the pareto rule applied to thoroughness: the last 5% takes 95% of the effort :P
 
@radp the look in his eyes was not one of thoroughness
 
@JohntheSeagull details
 
the Red Riding Hood video is brilliant, the non YouTube version is here: tomas-nilsson.se/#159612/Little-Red-Riding-Hood
 
11:48 AM
Holy shit, what happened to programmers?
They dropped by 7k views/day in a few days
 
Down from what to what?
 
from 10k to 3k
I think they've changed what the numbers mean however
 
That's the best way to ensure reports based on the numbers will never be trusted :)
 
Server fault jumped there to 49k but the api claim 38k views/day
 
12:17 PM
SE sites went down, SF went up? Grrrreeeaaaattt lol
 
My first jQuery question, I have fallen, and I can't get up
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Q: Use jQuery to convert TD's with DIV's with numbers into clickable links?

Lasse V. KarlsenI have a webpage from the Fogbugz bug tracking system, and using a plugin to Fogbugz, I can insert javascript into each page. In this Fogbugz installation I have created a custom field, with the case number of a different system, and this is shown in the case listings. I'd like to make this col...

 
Tim
Aw, it's been answered already. I shouldn't have taken so long to eat, heh. :P
 
12:32 PM
Good Morning All
@spoulson +1.. debris is an awesome demo.
 
12:47 PM
!
> @Popular Demand, I think those who're still not using Gmail doesn't deserve to use SO and SEs. Call me extremist, but I believe that it's such a huge loss if one doesn't know how to use the best tools at hand. – Ngu Soon Hui 1 min ago
 
Tim
...
 
What a quote to wake up to!
 
what a retard..
 
Tim
That seems like kind of an excessive response for a comment on a question about changing the share via email icon...Heh
Oh, the still is italicized, even better. :P
 
Argh, I wish I knew that the ability wikis were supposed to be generic two days ago. I'm not motivated enough to write them twice.
 
12:58 PM
what'd you think they were?
 
That the titles/categories would be exported but the body text would not.
 
oh. i definitely hadn't read it that way at all
 
@spoulson - Amazing demo
 
@rchern Yes, when @Michael pointed it out last night, it was pretty clear that I was alone.
 
1:13 PM
Morning everyone
 
@TheUnhandledException - mornin
 
@AidenBell How are you today?
@PopularDemand how late were you in last night? I couldn't take it and didn't come back to work after dinner, heh
 
@TheUnhandledException ~2130
 
@PopularDemand Ug
 
@TheUnhandledException morning
 
1:20 PM
Morning @Fosco. I have been insanely busy, but I owe you an email
AHAHAHAHA
 
@TheUnhandledException oh? what about?
 
7 hours ago, by Jeff Atwood
I'm inverting all smilies I see, in a rampant, flagrant abuse of power
@rchern that is so great!
@Fosco About XMPP amongst other things
 
oh, ok.. cool.
 
@TheUnhandledException - Better now I switched Eclipse to PyDev for a few hours!
 
@rchern hey, StackFlair isn't working for me.. I hit submit and it just re-loads the form empty.
 
1:24 PM
again? oof
fracking somee
 
just tried it again, it cycled for a few seconds then did the same thing..
 
will look ):
 
Mental Note Refresh a question before posting an answer
 
@Diago Bah, just let the SE software take care of it for you.
 
ah, did you delete yours? is that why i see you as last modified but see no activity?
i need, um, 8842 rep please! (;
 
1:29 PM
Yeah not working for me either @rchern
@rchern Sure thing. The current exchange rate is $2.72/rep point, that will be $24,050.24 please. You can just PayPal me.
 
):
 
@PopularDemand It can't take care of me opening the link in a new tab, getting distracted, coming back, posting answer, and then realising @rchern answered 3 minutes before me :P
 
hehe
 
Best. Question. Ever.
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Q: Could you please kindly send me Installation Manual About Continuous Ink Supply System(CISS) for EPSON T13 Printer

tzmHi there, I want to connect My EPSON T13 Printer with Continuous Ink Supply System(CISS). I already search manual in google, but I can't find. If someone know about that installation process, Could you please kindly send me Installation Manual About Continuous Ink Supply System(CISS) for EPSON T...

 
@Diago So bug Marc. He'll fix it for you.
 
1:39 PM
@PopularDemand I might just do that.
 
my blog sucks, but it's got three posts. fosco.com
 
@Diago Righto. What's family for, eh?
 
@PopularDemand ;)
@Fosco At least yours is up to date
 
@Fosco At least yours exists :-)
@balpha You lurking in here?
 
1:56 PM
no
 
He's lurking the StackExchange™ MultiCollider SuperDropdown™ inbox
 
LOL
I just read this @balpha, too funny!
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A: Anti-golf on "Hello World"?

balphaYou asked for it. Python: # Copyright (c) 1999 - 2010 # Large Company, Inc. ("THE COMPANY") # # Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without # modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are # met: # # 1. Redistributions of source code must retai...

 
Nice one balpha.. +1
 
yeah, was fun writing it
 
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Q: Ideas on how to uniquely identify a computer?

relimaI have been thinking of ways I could uniquely identify a computer in python. First, I thought about checking the user's mac address and hard disk space, then I tried to compute some sort of rating from many of these variables. However, this solution doesn't feel right. It takes a long time to run...

↑ why is that CW? (the asker has 60 rep)
 
2:02 PM
@radp new user?
 
@SilentGhost not a good enough reason :)
 
as in, doesn't know when to mark cw
0
Q: why it is difficult to implement Information security

Sai kiranwhy it is difficult to implementing the challenges in information security

 
oooh, progress bars on the privileges/ page
 
@radp Actually, I think it's by design.
Searching now...
 
2:15 PM
Argh, I'm afraid this was addressed in comments.
 
Perfect example of retarded question on NTI: webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/7721/…
 
/blame @Diago
(;
 
@Fosco Sometimes, sharing is not caring.
 
@Fosco, all sites have to deal with low-quality questions, don't they?
 
@rchern definitely.. it just looks like a much higher percentage on NTI. Don't mind me, I just might point out some of the ones that make me want to cancel my internet service just to dis-associate myself from their stupidity. :)
I just want to be mean to them, but it's against my personality to actually do so.. so I do it here.
 
2:30 PM
hehe
 
@Fosco Maybe if I flag enough of your messages, the system will get the hint and make you invisible to me.
@radp Okay, I can't find it, and it's not worth it to me to continue the search.
@rchern GDI+?
 
didn't work ):
 
@PopularDemand That's pretty rude... );
hehe
 
@Fosco "I just want to be mean to them, but it's against my personality to actually do so.. so I do it here." sounds a lot like "I can't argue with my customers, so I go home and kick my dog."
@rchern Boo.
@Fosco We are not your dogs.
 
20 mins ago, by radp
@PopularDemand http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com/tags/10.04/synonyms
 
2:35 PM
@PopularDemand, I think what I'm going to do is run the scheduled task I have for populating the sites data (I run it daily and cache it which is where I'm getting the images from) locally, and it'll take just a few moments to add code that fracking ftp's the folder of favicons to the server >_<
 
@radp Why do you keep saying that?
 
@PopularDemand > Users with more than 1000 reputation can suggest and vote on tag synonyms. Suggestions will be automatically approved when they reach a score of 4, and automatically deleted when they reach a score of -2.
 
@PopularDemand I wasn't mean to you... it's more like "I can't argue with my customers, so I go home and calmly explain to my dog what idiots my customers are."
 
@rchern Er, okay. I don't actually know what your problem was, but you asked for Googling help and I obliged.
@Fosco Your preposition in your initial statement is clearly referring to being mean.
 
/yawn
 
2:37 PM
You two be nice to each other @PopularDemand and @Fosco! Don't make me come back there!
 
@TheUnhandledException Oh yeah? What're you gonna do?
 
I'll get @Diago's father!
Who was that? I've forgotten now
 
@TheUnhandledException Whatever man, I'm friends with his kid.
 
heh
 
LOL
It wasn't @MichaelMrozek... I forgot who it was. @MarcGravell I think. Yeah. That's right
 
2:41 PM
@radp are you sure that, in practice, 1k rep is enough to edit tags on a beta site? I actually do not know this for sure.
 
@PopularDemand it should be
 
I almost think it should be lower
I hate having to beg for tags on new sites. Unix.se didn't even have an [x11] tag and I had to ask for one
 
@radp as in "in my opinion, they should make it this way," or as in "if I grabbed a 1k user right now, he should be able to do it"?
 
Let me try something...
Anyone with Firebug, add height: 20px to the empty message above here^ , then try to star it
 
what empty message..
 
2:47 PM
How do I edit that?
 
@Fosco There's a message sandwiched between the two that's empty. It's empty because of the usual empty link trick
 
I can't star it.
I've modified the markup in Firebug, but it doesn't make the actual message any bigger.
 
@PopularDemand latter
 
When I try to star it anyways, it thinks I'm mousing over the "Let me try something" message and switches to that message's flag/star/reply menu.
@radp then I really wish I could find those comments.
 
I starred it
 
2:49 PM
4 mins ago, by Yi Jiang
 
Ah ha! It worked!
 
I used Chrome tools to add style="height:40px;" and then was able to star
 
old news...
 
Ohhhhhhhhh@balpha.... they'rrrrre breaking yourrrrrrrrr chat againnnnnnn!
 
@radp Same thing with the comments... wonder why they'd never fixed it
 
2:50 PM
except that now that you're reporting it, it'll get fixed
@YiJiang yeah, please don't fix it :)
 
@radp I was foiled again
 
They should fix it.. why should the empty line spacer have it's own message id.
 
Also:
> posted NaNd ago – permalink
 
@TheUnhandledException quite visible on the sidebar. I mean, that's the whole point of starring, right? ;)
By starring it you're basically forcing 'em to fix it
bad boy!
 
Damnit it, now I can't delete my "Everyone star" message!
 
2:52 PM
we can flag pwn the messages though!
 
booo, question i typed up an answer for got deleted
 

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