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3:02 PM
It sure looks weird in the transcripts
 
why exactly are you doing this?
 
Boredom, mainly
Also, trying to see if the they're using the same parser for the comments as the chat
Which they are
 
So how do you do empty messages?
 
._.
@Chacha102 find an excessively short comment on the site and view the timeline for the question
 
Ah, there we go
 
3:04 PM
btw, I'll be pissed with you all the day I'll be forced to write 15 characters in a comment when I only to post 14 ;)
 
woah, chrome's developer tools got an upgrade
 
@rchern You'll be please to know that nothing is pinned
 
...
 
d:
 
@Chacha102 rchern has the developer console open
 
3:05 PM
so?
 
see, I'd flag that comment but you'll just remove the darn flag making it completely useless. >_>
 
so your shenanigans are in plain sight :)
 
It should be trivial to fix, since showdown.js is included with each page just parse the comment to showdown and get the length of the resultant HTML
 
@rchern I can't remove flags. Just Stars.
 
@Chacha102 Why would you tell her that?
 
3:07 PM
@PopularDemand Because it takes 4-6 people to actually do something...
 
so who's with me? (;
 
@rchern You know I'll just post another....
I'll Unpin it today, sometime..
I should make a Russian Roulette style Star Canceller
 
@Chacha102 and that is exactly the problem.
 
It will run once an hour, and if it gets a bullet it will cancel the stars on a random entry
@rchern Happier?
 
not really. as you said you'll just do it again
 
3:09 PM
@Chacha102 Don't you mean it will run once an hour over up to the six most recently starred entries?
 
@rchern I just removed it...
@PopularDemand That is too damaging...
 
Hey folks
 
We have 1.3k starred entries, if I only have a 1/6th chance of removing one of those, I both remove less entries, as well as have a better chance of removing something useless.
If I ALWAYS remove one of the last 6, it is far more likely that I'll remove something important..
 
@Chacha102 Well, no, there's always a bullet in there somewhere. Most recent has a 1/6 chance, second-most recent has a 1/5 chance....
Or you could pick six out of the 1300 at random.
 
anyway
anyone doing anything interesting?
 
3:14 PM
@Chacha102 I'm setting up a Nagios monitoring server
 
@Chacha102 Watching paint dry.
I mean, watching my program compile.
I wish I could be watching paint dry.
 
@PopularDemand Watch the Youtube vid radp posted
 
@TheUnhandledException Is it a video of paint drying?
 
3:16 PM
@YiJiang Is that a video of watching paint dry?
 
@Chacha102 Yes
> After watching lots of videos on Youtube I came to the conclusion that 99.9% of them are as interesting as watching paint dry. So here is a video I made of some paint drying for you to enjoy. I call this one Magnolia. Hope you like it.
 
I know about the U-tubes. But I'm at work.
This is not much better:
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Q: What are the wackiest usernames on SO (or SE at large)?

Geoffrey ZhengI would've asked on the "fairly stupid water-cooler nonsense" programmers.se had King Atwood not forced me a second thought. The best one would've been Kim Jong Woo had the gravatar not been removed. org.life.java is pretty cool. Wacky, still. I would also nominate it for the "Best Java Package...

 
Does this question sound rantish?
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Q: Is there a rational reason to wait for the release date to download, install or update to the next version of Ubuntu?

badpToday, October 6th 2010, Ubuntu 10.10 is in Feature Definition Freeze, Debian Import Freeze, Feature Freeze, User Interface Freeze, Beta Freeze, Documentation String Freeze, Final Freeze, Kernel Freeze and past the Translation Deadlines in both the non-language pack and language pack editions as ...

 
@radp Well, perhaps the torrents would get a lot more seeds on the actual day
Just a guess
 
@YiJiang Yeah, who does that though? :)
The official upgrader doesn't use torrents at any rate
It probably should though.
 
3:33 PM
I need to do some bugtesting on a photo upload system for my application
I am tired of using the same old LOLcat photos I've been using for months
PLS I CAN HAS SOME NEW CATZ?
 
@TheUnhandledException I dunno, man... it's not easy to find LOLcats on the Internet.
 
bit of contrast
 
lorem ipsum for lolcats...
 
@rchern !
Unicornify + LOLcats?!!?!??!!!??!
 
@TheUnhandledException - Been playing with raphaeljs.com
Also, discovering how much I hate "web designers" who are really "Do it in photoshop/fireworks and crowbar it into the most aweful CSS"-sers
2
 
3:38 PM
@AidenBell AHAHAHAHA
Our CEO will love that
 
@AidenBell At least they're not using tables
 
@AidenBell Awesome, how's it working for you?
@AidenBell Do you dislike the Photoshop-first approach, or are you specifically talking awful CSS?
 
(that one is an irony star on my part)
 
@TheUnhandledException Yea not bad, I like the fact you can attach events. The graphs are good, but a bit CPU intensive (in Chrome). Re CSS, specifically talking about "everyone's a web designer, hey let's start a firm" types ... who produce CSS that tramples all over convention and logic. @Yi Jiang - True, but still.
 
@YiJiang If all they're doing is cutting up big images, tables might actually be better.
 
3:41 PM
Na, it is more a case of the most aweful design in the world (which everyone seems to like for some odd reason) ... but it is implemented as CSS spaghetti, so making simple changes mashes everything
 
@PopularDemand Nah. If you're trying to cut up a big image to somehow fit into the webpage, then you're doing something wrong
 
@YiJiang No question it's wrong, but I feel like such a person trying to align the images with pure CSS is liable to run into even more wrongness.
 
@Aiden Bell - got any examples of sites that were mAde with the methodnyou hate? Any opposites?
 
Incidently, anyone know of a "remove all styles"-er that is class based:
<div class="clean_this_bitch">...</div>
@Moshe - Sorry no example
 
@Aiden Bell - just modify eric meyers' CSS reset to do what you want.
 
3:43 PM
I don't think there are anticlasses, @Aiden
 
@AidenBell As usual, no.
 
Chrome just crashed and burned. I blame @radp
 
Use an iframe is the correct answer
if you want style containment
 
@TheUnhandledException, make it official
/blame @radp
 
@Moshe, could do if it is clean and doesn't spill
 
3:44 PM
/blame @badp
 
WebGL slides made with WebGL http://fhtr.org/
 
oops, sorry, slip of the fingers
 
well now that's just no fun ):
 
↑ crash and burn your browser with the FUTURE!
 
hehe
 
3:44 PM
Since when is "@radp" a valid argument for /blame?
 
@PopularDemand Since you decided to become immune to Blame
 
Yeah, the syntax is pretty clear: /blame [balpha|rchern|diago]
 
I thought it only supported "@rchern" and "@Diago."
 
@AidenBell Need to remember that the reset is only meant for User Agent stylesheets, so it only resets margin, padding, font-size and font-weight
And a couple of other oddities
 
@PopularDemand balpha too
 
3:45 PM
@balpha and @Marc are definitely valid arguments.
 
Sure, if you want all your stars to mysteriously disappear.
 
@PopularDemand /stars/accounts/g
 
Like all rational people, I measure my self-worth by my MSO Chat star count.
 
@Yi Jiang - What would be really good is:
<div class="clean"><div id="aidens_domain">...</div></div>
 
@AidenBell Yeah, well, you've probably need something like
 
3:47 PM
Let me avoid the CSS I have inherited
 
padding: 0;
margin: 0;
background: 0;
border: 0;
color: #000;
font: 16px/24px Arial, sans-serif;
font-weight: normal;
font-style: normal;
etc...
Oh, and don't forget the pretty !important statements!
 
@AidenBell aren't you basically looking for an iframe or equivalent?
 
@YiJiang - Yea, I could knock it up myself, but was wondering if there is a more throughout method like YUI clean. I could use an iframe ...
 
@AidenBell No, you should use an iframe
Else rewrite/redesign that bit to not have to do this
 
ducks for cover
kk
 
3:52 PM
Whoa! Somebody's contemplating rep-suicide on MSO
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Q: Comments are evil (or are comments turning stack overflow back into a forum)?

waldoSimplified purpose of stack overflow - better q&a site with better answers than trawling through a forum. Achieved by editable questions (+ moderation) so they don't suck; editable wiki style answers so the best answers get better and more complete over time (+ voting). How comments are bre...

 
@YiJiang He had 1 rep to begin with, so he's barely losing anything
 
@YiJiang Past "contemplating."
I just found that post on my own, get out of my head.
 
Note to self, randomly link to questions high on the homepage to scare @Pop out
 
Hm, one answer away from being a Tenacious Super User.
 
3:57 PM
Or, never mind, self-accepts probably don't count.
 
@Chacha102 - What is it for? team3128
 
Its a robotics team
 
@Chacha102 - One sec cracks out inkscape
 
We don't really have a motto so "Require Excellence" isn't really founded in anything
 
Pah. Support team 449.
 
3:58 PM
no
@PopularDemand Do you actually know about FIRST?
 
@Chacha102 Who doesn't?
 
ah.. yeah its our business cards
 
I figured, from the URL.
 
we went to the championships last year
 
Nice.
 
4:00 PM
@Chacha102 I hope you didn't bother trying and coming up with naming suggestions :P
 
@radp You mean for the team?
 
yeah.
 
We wanted to name our robot a name with characters from 9 alphabets
I don't know how we got the name 'Aluminum Narwhals'
 
wahey, last 30 minutes of the day, and I've got all my tasks completed :)
and hello all :)
 
Hello
 
4:07 PM
Anyone got iTunes?
 
Yes
 
Good, then please check out my apps on the App Store.
 
no
 
4:11 PM
Well ttyl then.
 
@Moshe That was pretty spammy.
 
If anyone wants a promo code for
Anything, ask me later. Bye.
 
@Moshe I think that constitutes as a self advertising fail.
@Moshe wrong place for it I think.
 
@sekhat it can't hurt to try. I'm not
Going to post a question "Has anyone seen my apps?" on SO.
Maybe apple.se
Hey is there an se tld?
 
Alright guys... serious problem
 
4:14 PM
@populardemand - yea it was. But
I'm not a spambot. Sorry though.
 
@Chacha102
 
Atwood was in here talking to a different "Joe" and said @joe bla bla bla bla and it showed up in my notifications on stackoverflow. I wasn't even in the room
The insanity must be stopped!
 
Oh, on the subject, I've been getting notiificaions, but when I click in them, I am redirected to random other pages across SE.
 
@Joe - UUID usernames is the answer
 
we live in some crazy times
 
4:17 PM
Well compare the number of Aidens to Joes
 
This is true
 
@AidenBell your Gravatar causes recursion
You really should fix that ;-)
 
@TheUnhandledException lol
 
It's very clever. I like it
 
Just don't fall in. I didn't notice it was recursive until you said. I like it
Maybe it should reference the Gravitar URL of itself
 
4:21 PM
Hey, can someone give me short inspiration phrases?
I got Require Excellence, Inspire Brilliance, Encourage Creativity, Work for a Better World
 
" For nobility and the shire"
 
ircmaxell, New Jersey, USA
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@Aiden his decodes to: Help! I'm trapped in a bar-code factory!
 
@TheUnhandledException - Not bad, not a barcode though so -1
 
4:24 PM
Ah, the QR code factories of New Jersey.
 
@PopularDemand - You start at 6 years old. The machines are brutal
 
@AidenBell They only accept kids who score "Outstanding" on "colors within the lines," you know. "Satisfactory" just doesn't cut it.
 
Wouldn't mind mine like:
 
@AidenBell I can't see the image.. blocked
 
Damn! That means I have to send traffic to ThinkCliche: thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/09shirt.html
 
4:27 PM
Just upload it.
 
I did
 
Still blocked? Wow.
 
Rough life, Chacha.
 
Another upload
 
4:28 PM
Ruff School..
anyway, i'll be back
 
Any Guice users?
 
Is this chat open-sourced yet. I want one!
 
LOL
Headed to lunch, bbl
 
... one of you may or may not be a jerk. You know who you are.
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o:
 
4:43 PM
@rchern If you're confused, it's not you.
 
heh
 
@YiJiang That is a fake. That paint is already dry.
 
@JohntheSeagull - Ah, a connoisseur of Peinture de séchage I see
 
5:04 PM
New Answer for Old Question:
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A: Fastest Gun in the West Problem

Lance RobertsI realize now that the FGITW problem is actually the reason that StackOverflow works well. If you don't know enough about a topic, then you won't be able to post a quick answer. Those who post a good quick answer, tend to be those who have more expertise in that area. This gives a higher probabil...

 
@LanceRoberts +1
 
It just came to me today, when I was thinking about how I couldn't answer so many questions quick enough, and then realized that that was good. The experts would be the quick ones.
It's too bad the question went CW at some point. I wish on questions that turned that way they'd allow the answerers to choose whether they wanted to go Cw.
 
5:22 PM
No offense, but once a question has that many answers, it's probably already been answered.
Or rather, I'm glad you learned to love the FGITW, but you weren't her first lover
 
@Shog9 That's exactly what they want you to think!
 
@PopularDemand And so I think it. I'm very accommodating!
 
Ha! Good one, Shog! Tell us another!
 
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Q: Design Ideas for the final site

Jorge CastroHi everyone, At the beginning of the beta I linked up Mat Tomaszewski from the Canonical Design Team to work with Jin Yang from SO on the design for the final site. I am posting the design here on his behalf since he doesn't have the rep (yet!) Home page: Question Page

 
@radp Nice!
 
5:27 PM
Weird.
 
(though obviously the STACK EXCHANGE part should be centered, in huge bold type, with Ubuntu smaller and off to the side)
 
Why did they decide to not stick entirely with Jin on that one?
 
How often do you get the opportunity to bring in someone from the OS design team to help style your OS fan-site?
 
Well, there's Canonical's design team and guidelines in play here too
 
@Shog9 I wasn't criticizing, just curious. There are many possible reasons.
 
5:30 PM
is this going to be an "official" medium?
 
@PopularDemand I'm just saying, I think it's great - imagine if they could do something like that with Gaming, it could be the first non-pain-inducing gaming site design in the history of the world!
 
@Shog9 the problem with adhering with a company's styling guidelines is you can't use them for unrelated stuff ;)
 
@Shog9, I posted the answer because it was unique, and I think really shows a dynamic behind SO that isn't usually thought about.
 
@radp That's why this has to be imaginary
 
5:33 PM
Don't worry, however, Gaming's going to get all the pain inducing pixelation we love and hate
 
@radp I know. I've seen the designs. I still have vomit stains.
 
@radp Really just hate.
 
I also liked my answer because it involves math.
Everything's better with math.
 
I like the pixelation
 
@LanceRoberts I can't pass up this opportunity to plug my favorite MSO question title ever:
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Q: I was told there'd be no math

NosrednaA few times I've started to type a question in SO that was pure math or physics or statistics or finance, and then bailed out. I've seen a couple simple math questions get closed (or at least get close votes or complaints) for not being programming related. Obviously, the relationship between ma...

 
5:35 PM
Gaming is such a wide and varied theme, pixelation is really one of the few constants
 
Yeh, that's a good one.
 
@Lance: nothing wrong with posting an answer if you feel you have something to say. My point is merely that as volume increases, the value added by each additional answer falls - so killing the rep motivation and opening up editing has some real value.
 
If you expected the stock photo with the obligatorily interracial mix of people with unrealistically looking controllers in their hands looking like having "fun" and stuff I'm glad you're disappointed :P
 
@radp What are... "controllers"? I expected an interracial mix of people using Kinect.
 
Yes, I agree, but don't really like editing unique stuff into other answers. I realize that it'll be lost in the crowd, but that happens to a lot of answers.
 
5:37 PM
@PopularDemand They called it eye toy back in the day, btw
 
@radp I expected the kid with the bowl cut sitting on shag carpeting 8 inches from the TV in circa-1980 Sears game-system ads.
 
The EyeToy is a color digital camera device, similar to a webcam, for the PlayStation 2. The technology uses computer vision and Gesture recognition to process images taken by the camera. This allows players to interact with games using motion, color detection and also sound, through its built-in microphone. The camera is manufactured by Logitech (known as "Logicool" in Japan), although newer EyeToys are manufactured by Namtai. The camera is mainly used for playing EyeToy games developed by Sony and other companies. It is not intended for use as a normal PC camera, although some people ...
 
Or we could just make it look like the inside of a Virtual Boy.
 
@PopularDemand Skip the whole "ugly enough to cause headaches" thing, and just devise a system for directly triggering headaches?
 
"Thanks for logging in, user! Please provide your mailing address so we can send you your introductory sticker pack, t-shirt ($30 or 10k reputation) and 3D red/cyan glasses!"
 
5:42 PM
Someone say a t-shirt for 10k rep ... count me in!
leaves me with 3k :(
 
grumble grumble
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Q: How to get the booster badge [revisited]?

Sergio TapiaHere is the question that got closed BEFORE I had my answer: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/66817/how-to-get-the-booster-badge-closed The link to the similar question that was provided didn't help because when I click the Link hyperlink, the page just refreshes. No link with my ID is d...

 
bad UI is bad
 
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Q: T-Shirt Time! ("Beta")

Alex PapadimoulisThere's been some talk about T-Shirts lately, and a telling picture that they actually exist... Some have called them vaporware, while a lucky few claimed to have actually received one. Regardless, they're finally available for sale on the "beta" store: http://inedomedia.com/store/stackov...

 
Awesome.
Although, I get a dirty IIS 404
 
oo, nice one-box issue.. truncates the URL but still keeps it a link
 
5:53 PM
@PopularDemand bug: shortening of text also shortens the URL .... parse the URL before shortening
 
^ there's the full link
 
@Fosco - Nice
 
@AidenBell Er, I don't control what happens inside the onebox, I'm afraid.
Aw, store seems to be closed.
 
@PopularDemand, you mentioning Tenacious made me look at my WA answers. I don't think I'll be getting it, heh. 53 accepted answers, 1 with 0 score. Seems like a weird badge.
 
gahhhhhhhhhh I hate smoothwall
 
6:07 PM
@rchern Yeah, it is. Same with its brother, Unsung Hero.
 
is that the gold partner?
 
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Q: Badge suggestion: Unsung Hero (5 accepted answers with no votes)

chaosThis badge, which I'd nominate as a silver, would be awarded for every 5 accepted answers a user has with no votes. There should probably be a 24-hour window after acceptance before this badge is awarded. Why do this, you ask? Well, one of the much-belabored issues of the SO model is that rep ...

Yee-up.
 
ah
 
@rchern Actually, there's a pretty severe lack of a "we implemented this" announcement there, sorry.
 
NAH - Not Announced Here
 
eh, it worked
 
yeh, they should really allow 1-vote answers to count also, alot of people will give you an upvote with the accept.
 
@PopularDemand - No fair. I want t-shirtage
 
6:30 PM
@AidenBell Sorry mate, so do I, but it's not in the cards.
 
Wow, even though you removed your comment, I still had notification, and it still highlighted the (removed) line.
 
> Im not against changing it to require zero votes as opposed to zero score – waffles♦
The thinking being that, if you've gotten even one upvote just from the OP, then you're a "sung" hero... the singing just wasn't very loud. (@Lance)
 
going to make it nintendo-hard, aren't we?
 
@radp Builds character!
 
> 007 373 5963
 
6:41 PM
@Fosco your new favourite hotline?
 
@radp When you type it in, Mike Tyson beats the shit out of you.
 
The Internet Oracle has pondered your question deeply.
Your question was:

> OUTPUT "Oh, great Oracle who is "
> FOR i = 1 to 10,000
> OUTPUT "so "
> NEXT i
> OUTPUT "amazing!"
>
> Please hear my question:
> I know things are somewhat rocky between you and Thor. How are things
> between you and the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
>
> As payment, I offer to write an iPhone app to broadcast your
> Oracularity wit and wisdom far and wide.

And in response, thus spake the Oracle:

} Saucy.
 
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A: What kind of hobby that the Programmer cannot have in his/her carrer?

Fosco Russian Roulette.. Losing at this really makes programming impossible. The Knife Game.. We need our fingers.

 
Sweet crap: "Possible candidate to not constructive" ... even programmers has it's "too subjective" equivalent lol
I thought it was all tankards of mead and fillies of the night over there
Apologies for transposed apostrophes
 
ImageMagick documentation seems to be severely lacking
 
6:56 PM
There's something wrong with me...
 
That rash is normal ... just stop doing that thing
 

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