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5:13 PM
in Tavern on the Meta, 31 secs ago, by Dilaton
I think not every technical question involving some calculation too to explain things should be tagged homework in the first place. If such technical questions about rather mathematical topics would be disallowed for some reason, it would discourage people asking at a technical level compared to people who just want to know about a subject at an equation free level.
wait, one at a time
homework doesn't mean disallowed, yet
that user's questions were allowed if you notice
Half of those shouldn't be tagged with the tag, I agree, but some should
Doesn't make 'em bad
 
@Manishearth yes, and this time I would have agreed with Sklivvz how says that questions that need the hw but are good ones can be left alone, whereas the lazy efforless ones get closed.
 
Yep
Not just the lazy effortless ones, the ones with effort that contain no physical insight
in The h Bar on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 8 mins ago, by tpg2114
@ManishEarth I think even in fluid dynamics you see questions like that a lot. Like "why did this term go away" when the answer is "Because Re \to \infty means it's smaller than other terms and can be neglected." The answer is purely math but it's based on purely physical insights
Where physical insight includes mathematical stuff similar to the above
@Dilaton Now, I'd love to be able to write some objective guidelines that capture the above -- we allow questions asking for physical insight with the above defn of physical insight
 
But I think we want to avoid questions where it's just manipulation of math without any physics that isn't obvious. If we can somehow come up with an objective way to describe that
 
@Manishearth I think on what you say I agree. In physics often some physical insight is needed to in derivations, why certain terms can be reformulated, why certain terms can be neglected when going from one step to the next in a derivation etc ... I know this from reading a more basic ST book about similar topics user 26143 does for example ...
@tpg2114 physics insights are often needed in explaining why some reformulations of terms are allowed etc, in rather theoretical topics of physics. I mean I just explained this above.
 
@Dilaton I agree completely. I'm trying to avoid the complex looking equations where to go from A to B it's really just "Remember sin(2\theta) = ..."
Which also crop up in advanced topics
So we need a way to separate out questions where the missing link is insightful and the missing link is algebraic
 
5:27 PM
@Manishearth we allow questions asking for physical insight to understand physics consepts and phenomena or to understand advanced technical explanations or issues needed in studying mathematical/theoretical physics?
@tpg2114 hm are the ones where it is purely algebraic/mathematical not usually migrated to maths anyway?
 
both yes
@Dilaton exactly
 
@Dilaton Sometimes, but only if the person flagging it recognizes that
 
yeah, it's hard to tell
 
It could also just look like crazy math with crazy physics and the person reviewing it doesn't know if there's insight or if it's just algebra
How many papers say it's trivial to go from A to B but doing it is several pages of math? It may all be algebra so it's "trivial" but it's not always obvious
 
@tpg2114 I always think if people who review a question and do not understand what it is about, it would be better to just skip reviewing it and leave it to people who are more familiar with the topic. From what I have seen on MO they do exactly that there... People in particular closevote only questions in tags they are some kind of familiar with .... For example Qmechanic usually knows exactly what would have a better home at maths SE, and he seems to do quite a good job in looking at almost
everythning. So he said nothing against the 20 example questions even though I could swear that he has seen them, so IMHO they should be ok (with or without hw tag) ...
 
5:34 PM
@Dilaton That's why things take 5 votes unless one is a moderator. The issue we're seeing is that there aren't enough people reviewing things and obviously low quality questions take too long to close
 
@tpg2114 before I got in some trouble again, I was heavily active in the higher order review queues (several times in a day, was quite time consumint) as soon as I was able too ... :-/. And I can not resume it this year (almost). I too got the impression that low-quality questions just are left alone recently for example ...
 
@Dilaton I don't think they are intentionally left alone. You and Dim10 like to trash my voting record but I'm not attacking anything or on a mission; my votes are actually more aligned with Dim10's than almost any other regular reviewer in the queues
I think there's just fewer reviewers and even fewer flaggers. My queue never gets past 4 or 5 questions before I go through it
 
the problem is that with mass participation you will get more mistakes. instead of getting upset and going up in flames anytime you disagree with a closure (or any other action), please remember that everything is undoable.
 
And there's a reason it takes 5 votes
 
the fundamental problem is that the community probably doesn't have enough users of a super high level, but that has got nothing to do with closing. it has everything to do with the fact that it's a very specialized topic with too few practicioners
one thing is having a "physics.se" community, another is having a tag-specific one. you need many more people!
 
6:10 PM
@tpg2114 I yes, with me you seemed not be that misaligned as I first thought too ;-)... And some lazy low-level question should really get closed, but I see many of them getting answers ...
@Sklivvz ok yes ...
I know that I am too easily excite or upsettable and sometimes hardly ever return to a (relaxed) ground state ... :-/
 
7:10 PM
@Dilaton It's not an alignment issue. It's a doing what's right issue. We have policies that should be enforced. If I agree, if I disagree, it doesn't matter. My obligation is to enforce them and sort out the issues I may or may not have with them in the appropriate venue, in the appropriate fashion. And if I like or don't like the result, my obligation is still to do the right thing and enforce the policies we have.
 

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